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Old 05-13-2008, 12:23 PM  
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OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum.
It's time for you to reward me and the the rest of your defenders. I'm looking forward to reading a piece on the Star about how you have dedicated this off-season to gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. I hope you haven't forgotten that as a necessary step for your career and gaining respect of the fans and your teammates.
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:45 AM   #151
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I don't think it is fair. Cutler got sacked 27 times last year over 16 games. Huard and Croyle went down 47 times. Unless the OL improves dramatically you can't expect a guy that is going to get sacked about 50 times to put up the same numbers as a guy that is getting sacked around 25 times.
Oh man are we really giving Brodie a pass for next year? Come on.

I expect our O-line to be much improved.

IMO we have to draw the line somewhere. The numbers posted were good but not great. Let's see if he can achieve those.

I really hope this doesn't turn into a JP Losman kind of thing where you can see that a guy will never make it and it takes the team 4 years to figure that out.

I hope Brodie turns out to be good but in the end, I'm guessing that Deberg is right in that he won't make it through the season.
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:46 AM   #152
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each also had a lot better line. Hell Croyle didn't even have our mediocre LT most of the time. He was running for his life.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:09 PM   #153
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Oh wowzers...you've been rebutted with good points by myself & others several times, all to no avail.
What points?
That he should be treated like a former #1 overall pick?
That's absolutely ridiculous. The draft pick isn't as valuable and the contract is but a fraction of what a #1 pick is paid.

The commitment is never the same unless the player performs at a level that earns him more time to develop.

What other argument?
The one about the other Middle and Late Round picks who've been given time to develop? They earned it. I pointed that out earlier in the thread.

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Old 05-15-2008, 12:10 PM   #154
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Oh wowzers...you've been rebutted with good points by myself & others several times, all to no avail.

Debating you is often like trying to teach a cat to play fetch.
Is this a joke? I can't even get you to admit the odds favor Croyle not being a starting QB in the NFL.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:43 PM   #155
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Of course the odds are against Croyle becoming a successful quarterback in this league. Especially on this team.

However, (and the tendency to injure problem, notwithstanding) he has all the physical tools necessary to play the game at a high level. Due to my geographical location, I've seen him play in college and I've seen Cutler play in college. A lot. And, scoff if you wish, but I have to tell you that I would pick Croyle over Cutler in a heartbeat based on his ability to get the ball out, find receivers while under duress, and leadership (desire to win, putting it all on the line, etc.). Cutler is a whiny bitch whereas Croyle wants to win at all costs. That's why, when he was drafted, I thought it was a great selection - given the round, perhaps one of Herm's best picks, so far.

Sure, he may not work out. But, personally, I don't think he's had a fair shot to put points on the board. Mainly due to the patented Solari system of play-calling to the enemy's advantage, lack of protection, lack of running game, lack of clutch receivers, as well as the fact that he's being told that his first option is the two-yard dump-off.

In my opinion, some of you guys are seeing the glass half-empty.

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Old 05-15-2008, 12:43 PM   #156
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Is this a joke? I can't even get you to admit the odds favor Croyle not being a starting QB in the NFL.
If you want to go by the round he was drafted in, sure, statistically his odds are longer than guys from the 1st & 2nd...feel better???

What gets me, is that so many fail to see any potential at all...promising facts to the contrary be damned.

Yes, the doubters could be right...but i'm not riding the Boo-Hoo train until i know for sure.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:45 PM   #157
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Well, I figure I'll cast some positive votes in favor of Croyle

1. He'll be the most talented QB Gailey has worked with as an OC. Considering that assclowns like O'Donnell and Fiedler did OK under Chan, I think that bodes well for Croyle.

2. He has a hot wife.

3. Uh...SKIN THAT SMOKEWAGON!
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If you want to go by the round he was drafted in, sure, statistically his odds are longer than guys from the 1st & 2nd...feel better???

What gets me, is that so many fail to see any potential at all...promising facts to the contrary be damned.

Yes, the doubters could be right...but i'm not riding the Boo-Hoo train until i know for sure.
I don't care what round he was drafted in. The odds are against him, period. It doesn't take a genius to see it.
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:02 PM   #159
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I don't care what round he was drafted in. The odds are against him, period. It doesn't take a genius to see it.
Because of his talent level, the talent/coaching around him or a mix of both???

Its my opinion that he has the talent & level head to succeed, the talent level around him should be better & Gailey IIRC went 11-5 twice with Jay Fiedler & the perenially bad Dolphins O-line/run game.

We'll see soon enough.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:43 PM   #160
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Because of his talent level, the talent/coaching around him or a mix of both???

Its my opinion that he has the talent & level head to succeed, the talent level around him should be better & Gailey IIRC went 11-5 twice with Jay Fiedler & the perenially bad Dolphins O-line/run game.

We'll see soon enough.
IMO, the odds are against him because:

a) The OL.
b) Talent level around him.
c) Dick Curl is the QB coach.
d) Herm Edwards is the head coach.
e) He won't be able to take the beating and will miss games.
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I love the underdog.
Me too.
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Me too.
I guess when you're a Chiefs fan you have to.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:15 PM   #164
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I guess when you're a Chiefs fan you have to.
Indeed.

I love this team though. As mad as I get at them.
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Indeed.

I love this team though. As mad as I get at them.
Me too. No one around me understands why I love this team so much, but everyone who has ever really known me thinks of me when they see that logo.

I had a rough childhood, and when I had nothing, I had the Chiefs. I could always look forward to Sunday.

If they ever win it all, everyone who has ever cared for me will know, that I am happy at at that moment, and in a way, we will share it.
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