It’s Herm’s defense now

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Replacing veterans with younger players is fine as long as they EARN their way into the lineup but Herm's problem (among many) is he replaces players before the backups have proven they can play. Go ahead and bnech Wesley for Page and now you gotta draft another safety becase you were too god damned set on having new starters instead of letting Page earn his playing time. Same bullshit he pulled with trading Dante Hall without having a kick returner and letting Kawika go without having a mike linebacker. This same scenario will probably be the case with next years starting center, #2 wide receiver, right guard, and obviously right defensive end.

You're whining about losing Hall and Mitchell?






Seriously - you can't tell much about a player by giving him 5-10 snaps a game.

Instead of thinking of it as "Herm is replacing players before the backups have proven they can play," think of it as "Herm is replacing players that have already proven they CAN'T play.

Dante Hall was not a loss to this football team. Neither was Kawicka Mitchell. Neither will Greg Wesley be.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're whining about losing Hall and Mitchell?






Seriously - you can't tell much about a player by giving him 5-10 snaps a game.

Instead of thinking of it as "Herm is replacing players before the backups have proven they can play," think of it as "Herm is replacing players that have already proven they CAN'T play.

Dante Hall was not a loss to this football team. Neither was Kawicka Mitchell. Neither will Greg Wesley be.

Correct. Keeping these guys around does not induce progress, it invokes 8-8.
we needed to lose 12 games, and we needed to trim the roster. Done.
Except Glenn Dorsey as your consolation prize.

[B_Ambuehl]

How exactly do you expect the younger players to earn their way and prove themselves other than playing?

Read what I said. They should have to PLAY their way into a starting job not just get a job handed to them because they were drafted by Herm. Guys should be let go AFTER you've found a suitable replacement not before. People on this forum are too hung up on age and rebuilding. Players are playing a lot longer nowadays and with free agency it only takes 1 year to turn around. It's more about putting talent on the field not how old you are. That main thing the "getting younger" talk does is give the fans an excuse for sucking. In Herm's case, it's given him a good reason for getting rid of a lot of players whose only guilt was being smart enough to see through and question his incompetency. In other words, you don't let a guy go just because he's 29 or 30 especially when you don't have anybody behind him that's proven they can play. Casey Wiegmann will probably go to Denver and kick our ass for the next 5 years while we're still looking for a center.

[B_Ambuehl]

And in support of goChiefs argument, for you folks who are arguing how bad ass pollard and page are...if they're so good why do you have to go out and spend another first day pick on a safety?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

And in support of goChiefs argument, for you folks who are arguing how bad ass pollard and page are...if they're so good why do you have to go out and spend another first day pick on a safety?

Comedy ****ing GOLD.

[B_Ambuehl]

First Hall and Mitchell, now WEIGMANN?

The guy who got tossed around like a ****ing rag doll last year?

People say things like this because he's small but I imagine people saying this are parroting things they heard and not watching tape. Wiegmann is still a solid center. Watch what he does for Denver. The main problems with our offensive line last year were due to right tackle, predictability in the running game, and Huard holding onto the ball for an eternity.

Compare Dante Halls returns in '07 to Eddie Drummonds.

Kawika Mitchell was at least solid against the run. Nap Harris does nothing very well.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

People say things like this because he's small but I imagine people saying this are parroting things they heard and not watching tape. Wiegmann is still a very good center. Watch what he does for Denver.

Compare Dante Halls returns in '07 to Eddie Drummonds.

Kawika Mitchell was at least solid against the run. Nap Harris does nothing very well.

Think he'll be good in Denver?

I'd ****ing hope so genius, considering they use a blocking scheme that emphasizes smaller linemen who can work in space.

He doesn't fit a smashmouth, power run game. Period.

Which games of Dante's should I use? The SEVEN games he played in last year?

You're right on one count: Harris does nothing very well.

And yet he was still just as productive as Mitchell was here in 2006.

Mitchell: 104 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 INT

Harris: 116 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 INT.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Read what I said. They should have to PLAY their way into a starting job not just get a job handed to them because they were drafted by Herm. Guys should be let go AFTER you've found a suitable replacement not before. People on this forum are too hung up on age and rebuilding. Players are playing a lot longer nowadays and with free agency it only takes 1 year to turn around. It's more about putting talent on the field not how old you are. That main thing the "getting younger" talk does is give the fans an excuse for sucking. In Herm's case, it's given him a good reason for getting rid of a lot of players whose only guilt was being smart enough to see through and question his incompetency. In other words, you don't let a guy go just because he's 29 or 30 especially when you don't have anybody behind him that's proven they can play. Casey Wiegmann will probably go to Denver and kick our ass for the next 5 years while we're still looking for a center.

First Hall and Mitchell, now WEIGMANN?

The guy who got tossed around like a ****ing rag doll last year?

You know, if we were letting GOOD players go and playing younger guys in their place, I'd see your point.

But we're not.

We're letting guys on the back-end of their careers go in favor of making PROGRESS.

It's not "an excuse to suck."

It's the way a championship team is built in the NFL.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Guys should be let go AFTER you've found a suitable replacement not before.

Nice concept, but it doesn't always work out that way.

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

In Herm's case, it's given him a good reason for getting rid of a lot of players whose only guilt was being smart enough to see through and question his incompetency.

What in the world are you talking about?

What player was let go because they questioned Herm's competency?