Chiefs BRC is no longer a "real" fan. - Page 4

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................

After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.

**chasedude** · 06-10-2008, 08:47 AM

Wow, for once I maybe able to afford a ticket and see a game this year. I've always enjoyed everyone's antics on here and really wanted to meet some of you in person, come drink your beer and eat your food during tailgates. With so many fans jumping off who will be at the game to meet? Guess I'll just have to wait for Nzoner's next party.

mikey23545 · 06-10-2008, 08:55 AM

Jeebus, BRC, you are one of the whiniest little vaginas I've ever seen...

Reerun_KC · 06-10-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Jeebus, BRC, you are one of the whiniest little vaginas I've ever seen...

Your quickly passing him..

Do you have to whine about everyones posts you disagree with?

Then neg rep them?

**morphius** · 06-10-2008, 09:49 AM

Sweet, now if I can go to a game and tailgate all alone, yipee!!!

You guys all suck.

Chiefnj2 · 06-10-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Bullshit. He's the damned head coach. He dictated a conservative approach to the game.

Hammock Parties · 06-10-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Bullshit. He's the damned head coach. He dictated a conservative approach to the game.

So? It was warranted considering the state of the line.

StcChief · 06-10-2008, 10:19 AM

Herm's days of a free pass are dwindling fast....

Chiefnj2 · 06-10-2008, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

So? It was warranted considering the state of the line.

God knows we don't want no circus or arena ball.

Fish · 06-10-2008, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

I'm really tired of people saying Herm destroyed the Chiefs' offense.

The talent was already going downhill. Solari was Carl's choice as OC.

Herm is essentially blameless for the current state of the offense. Now if we suck on offense the next three years, he gets blame.

Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

Bill Belichick

1992	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	7	9	.438
1993	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	7	9	.438
1994	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	11	5	.688
1995	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	5	11	.313
2000	New England Patriots	NFL	16	5	11	.313

And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.

Brock · 06-10-2008, 10:32 AM

He's doing a pretty good job of building the team for the next guy, so at least there's that.

little jacob · 06-10-2008, 10:37 AM

herm apologists? is there such a thing?

i dumped mine after carl got an extension and herm was hired. best decision ever. well, the best would have been never to get them in the first place. since i wasted all that money for 0 playoff wins.

Chiefnj2 · 06-10-2008, 10:45 AM

BRC,

Thank you for your letter and your compliments regarding my draft choices in recent years. I too am very excited about my draft picks. The team, me in particular, worked very hard this offseason scouting personnel that other GM's didn't take the time to consider.

I'm sorry that you will not be renewing your season tickets, however there is still a long waiting list and your seats will be assigned out immediately. Did you know that under my tutelege the Chiefs were one of the winningiest teams in the 90's? That's right. Some real fans still appreciate the competitive nature of this team and find season tickets to be a bargain.

I hope that once the new Arrowhead facility is completed that you rethink your position toward season tickets. Children don't mind paying student loans and family vacations last but a week. A season ticket is a gift that keeps on giving for 5 months and you don't run the risk that your child will become impregnated at some kegger.

The front office wishes you the best on your single game excursions to Arrowhead this year. Remember to shop on the expanded concourse.

Sincerely,

Uncle Carl

PS: Enclosed please find a $500 season ticket cancellation fee payable within 30 days.

Reerun_KC · 06-10-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Absolutely.

I hate to see Herm come to this team and try to change things, only to become the focus of fan frustration that built up for years and years before Herm was ever a part of the franchise. The guy isn't a rocket surgeon by any means, but he's trying a different approach other than what hasn't worked for the last decade.

And fans continue to point to his time with the Jets as justification for future suckatude... like people remember Belichick's record before he came to NE and changed that franchise. Not saying Herm is Bill by any means, but to say a coach can't improve because of prior coaching record is just silly.

Bill Belichick

1992	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	7	9	.438
1993	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	7	9	.438
1994	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	11	5	.688
1995	Cleveland Browns	NFL	16	5	11	.313
2000	New England Patriots	NFL	16	5	11	.313

And this isn't saying anything towards BRC's choice to cancel his ST status. Statements like his are absolutely necessary for the future of the franchise. But to turn his ST decision into Herm bashing is unwarranted IMO.

KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.

Reerun_KC · 06-10-2008, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

He's doing a pretty good job of building the team for the next guy, so at least there's that.

That is what keeping alot of fans lingering around. We know that in 2010 we will have a new GM and coaching staff. This will give the Chiefs fans many reasons to celebrate and ST sales will skyrocket....

**Skip Towne** · 06-10-2008, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

KC Fishy, The frustration from the fans towards Herm is the fact that Herm wants to build this team into what is flustrating for the fans. This is 2008 not 1988, We want TD's not Herms Field Goal Extravaganza on game days..

We dont want to go back to the as you put it, years and years of frustration. Yet when game day arrives, we are all flustrated at the end of the day.

Even in 1988 they didn't take a knee with 1 1/2 minutes left in the half.

06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2669627 VARSITY	BRC is no longer a "real" fan. Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................ After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore. When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder. When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder. I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead. These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder. Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan. King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance. One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.
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06-10-2008, 08:47 AM	#46
chasedude Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Joe Casino cash: $10004900	Wow, for once I maybe able to afford a ticket and see a game this year. I've always enjoyed everyone's antics on here and really wanted to meet some of you in person, come drink your beer and eat your food during tailgates. With so many fans jumping off who will be at the game to meet? Guess I'll just have to wait for Nzoner's next party.
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06-10-2008, 08:55 AM	#47
mikey23545 MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10015321	Jeebus, BRC, you are one of the whiniest little vaginas I've ever seen...
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06-10-2008, 09:49 AM	#49
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6765027	Sweet, now if I can go to a game and tailgate all alone, yipee!!! You guys all suck.
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06-10-2008, 10:19 AM	#52
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06-10-2008, 10:32 AM	#55
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06-10-2008, 10:37 AM	#56
little jacob Bitter Clinger Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	herm apologists? is there such a thing? i dumped mine after carl got an extension and herm was hired. best decision ever. well, the best would have been never to get them in the first place. since i wasted all that money for 0 playoff wins.
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06-10-2008, 10:45 AM	#57
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7813688	BRC, Thank you for your letter and your compliments regarding my draft choices in recent years. I too am very excited about my draft picks. The team, me in particular, worked very hard this offseason scouting personnel that other GM's didn't take the time to consider. I'm sorry that you will not be renewing your season tickets, however there is still a long waiting list and your seats will be assigned out immediately. Did you know that under my tutelege the Chiefs were one of the winningiest teams in the 90's? That's right. Some real fans still appreciate the competitive nature of this team and find season tickets to be a bargain. I hope that once the new Arrowhead facility is completed that you rethink your position toward season tickets. Children don't mind paying student loans and family vacations last but a week. A season ticket is a gift that keeps on giving for 5 months and you don't run the risk that your child will become impregnated at some kegger. The front office wishes you the best on your single game excursions to Arrowhead this year. Remember to shop on the expanded concourse. Sincerely, Uncle Carl PS: Enclosed please find a $500 season ticket cancellation fee payable within 30 days. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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