Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley Field Weekend Thread

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

There are a few on there with weak arms, for sure, but I'd say 50% of them have played a lot of 3rd base as well as 2nd base, and some shortstop...

And 3rd baseman, by rule, are suppose to have the strongest arms of the three...

Most of those 2nd baseman, like I said, played a whole bunch of shortstop in their careers.

And do you know why most of them were moved to second?

Lack of arm strength. If Shortstops are moved to third it's due to lack of mobility.

Dumbass.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And do you know why most of them were moved to second?

Lack of arm strength. If Shortstops are moved to third it's due to lack of mobility.

Dumbass.

Why does it have to be lack of arm strength?

Perhaps, I know this is a real tough concept, PERHAPS a guy like Scott Rolen comes along who possesses a STRONGER arm and they move the guy to 2nd base because 2nd base is an easy position to play if you were a SS or a 3rd baseman...

Never once did I say 2nd base was tougher to play than SS or 3rd, because it is, by far, easier...easier in high school, in low A, AAA and the pros...

All I said, and I'm right here, is, the VAST majority of MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2nd baseman have strong throwing arms.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Why does it have to be lack of arm strength?

Because you don't expect any more offensive production from one MI position over the other, and both need to have good lateral quickness.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because you don't expect any more offensive production from one MI position over the other, and both need to have good lateral quickness.

Not true, especially with 3rd baseman...most power hitters come up as 3rd baseman or 1st baseman...

You are speaking circa 1950...

This is a new day and age...most every good power hitter/athlete that is drafted, if you pay attention to the draft, is a 3rd baseman or SS...or catcher...and then they get converted to other positions in the minors.

So when Ryan Braun gets the call up, poor ol' 3rd baseman before him either moves to 2nd, to 1st, to the OF or to a new team...and then poor ol' Ryan Braun, who can hit anything, sucks in the field so he moves to the OF and makes way for the next big thing coming up from AA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Not true, especially with 3rd baseman...most power hitters come up as 3rd baseman or 1st baseman...

You are speaking circa 1950...

This is a new day and age...most every good power hitter/athlete that is drafted, if you pay attention to the draft, is a 3rd baseman or SS...or catcher...and then they get converted to other positions in the minors.

So when Ryan Braun gets the call up, poor ol' 3rd baseman before him either moves to 2nd, to 1st, to the OF or to a new team...and then poor ol' Ryan Braun, who can hit anything, sucks in the field so he moves to the OF and makes way for the next big thing coming up from AA.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I said Middle infielders. The reason why they played shortstop before they were drafted is because they were the best athletes on the field. Pujols played short in high school. Hell, one of my college roommates tried to spike him to break up a double play and he just verticaled his ass while he slung it over to first.

You value offense from you projected shortstops or second baseman to be roughly equal. It's not a corner infield, nor an outfield position. Because of that, the differentiating factor between second and short is arm strength, since they both need equal lateral quickness and speed, as well as glovework.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What the fuck are you talking about?

I said Middle infielders. The reason why they played shortstop before they were drafted is because they were the best athletes on the field. Pujols played short in high school. Hell, one of my college roommates tried to spike him to break up a double play and he just verticaled his ass while he slung it over to first.

You value offense from you projected shortstops or second baseman to be roughly equal. It's not a corner infield, nor an outfield position. Because of that, the differentiating factor between second and short is arm strength, since they both need equal lateral quickness and speed, as well as glovework.

Dude...

What are you talking about? I know the best athletes play short...the best athletes are the ones that become pros...****ing Jason Giambi was probably an amazing fielder back in grammar school.

I'm saying, almost every MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2nd baseman has a good, strong throwing arm.

That's my only argument. You've yet to successfully rebut it, I gave you a list of 2nd baseman, and you can't name one with a weak arm. You don't know shit.

You didn't even know Soriano had a good arm in the OF...

You are again, like usual, a pseudo intellect. I'd expect nothing less.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Dude...

What are you talking about? I know the best athletes play short...the best athletes are the ones that become pros...****ing Jason Giambi was probably an amazing fielder back in grammar school.

I'm saying, almost every MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2nd baseman has a good, strong throwing arm.

That's my only argument. You've yet to successfully rebut it, I gave you a list of 2nd baseman, and you can't name one with a weak arm. You don't know shit.

You didn't even know Soriano had a good arm in the OF...

You are again, like usual, a pseudo intellect. I'd expect nothing less.

Kinsler has an awful arm. Kennedy's is weak for a major league player, Luis Castillo does not have a strong major league arm, nor do Ellis, Carroll, Barfield, Kendrick, Kelly Johnson, Hudson, Cairo, among others.