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Jewish Rabbi · 08-09-2008, 05:34 PM

Not only does Soriano have a good arm now, Harden is the best pitcher in the major leagues!

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:36 PM

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Not only does Soriano have a good arm now, Harden is the best pitcher in the major leagues!

I laughed out loud when SportsCenter came on at 5 the other day and they showcased Soriano gunning that dude out at home and they were talking about how strong of an arm Soriano has in left field...

and who is better than Harden when Harden is healthy? Yes, Harden is *arguably* the best pitcher in the league (when healthy)...can you really disagree with that? Oh, of course you can, you're a Cardinals, scratch that, jealous, bitter Cardinals fan.

Jewish Rabbi · 08-09-2008, 05:40 PM

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I laughed out loud when SportsCenter came on at 5 the other day and they showcased Soriano gunning that dude out at home and they were talking about how strong of an arm Soriano has in left field...

and who is better than Harden when Harden is healthy? Yes, Harden is *arguably* the best pitcher in the league (when healthy)...can you really disagree with that? Oh, of course you can, you're a Cardinals, scratch that, jealous, bitter Cardinals fan.

Soriano gets so many assists because he's challenged so much. Can you disagree with that? Is there anyone who gets run on more often than Soriano? (Discounting Chris Duncan.)

And yes, Harden is one of the top pitchers in the league, but no way is he *arguably* the best in the majors. He's not even the best pitcher on your team, although he's far and away the best #2 in baseball.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:42 PM

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Soriano gets so many assists because he's challenged so much. Can you disagree with that? Is there anyone who gets run on more often than Soriano? (Discounting Chris Duncan.)

And yes, Harden is one of the top pitchers in the league, but no way is he *arguably* the best in the majors. He's not even the best pitcher on your team, although he's far and away the best #2 in baseball.

Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

Jewish Rabbi · 08-09-2008, 05:45 PM

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Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

When Anthony Reyes was on he was unhittable. If you're gonna go with that bullshit, Carpenter belongs in that category *gasp* when healthy.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:47 PM

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When Anthony Reyes was on he was unhittable. If you're gonna go with that bullshit, Carpenter belongs in that category *gasp* when healthy.

Yeah, you can lump Carpenter in with the elite, he won a Cy Young for god's sake...

There are about 15 pitchers who are truly elite, if not a few more...and Harden is one of them.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:49 PM

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Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

And if he could stay healthy, he'd be Tim Lincecum.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:50 PM

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And if he could stay healthy, he'd be Tim Lincecum.

I love Lincecum...lost me money his first game up last year against Cole Hamels...I bet the under at 7.5...thought it was a lock. The game was 4-4 after 3 innings...

He's one of my favorites...him and Volquez...and I've been on the Josh Hamilton bandwagon before the homerun derby made him everyones favorite player

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:53 PM

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I love Lincecum...lost me money his first game up last year against Cole Hamels...I bet the under at 7.5...thought it was a lock. The game was 4-4 after 3 innings...

He's one of my favorites...him and Volquez...and I've been on the Josh Hamilton bandwagon before the homerun derby made him everyones favorite player

And anyone who played fantasy baseball in the last two years knew how good Hamilton was.

Stop making yourself out to be the new Bill James.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:44 PM

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Soriano gets so many assists because he's challenged so much. Can you disagree with that? Is there anyone who gets run on more often than Soriano? (Discounting Chris Duncan.)

And yes, Harden is one of the top pitchers in the league, but no way is he *arguably* the best in the majors. He's not even the best pitcher on your team, although he's far and away the best #2 in baseball.

He's challenged so much because his zone rating is awful...he misplays a ball a game it seems...

If he caught everything in site and got a good jump here and there, his assists would go down, duh.

All I said, from the very beginning was...he's a lousy fielder (one of the worst) with a great outfield arm. And that's 100% true.

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