Woman gets ticketed for dropping f-bomb in a Walmart

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

That's your private interpretation. You are welcome to it. There are established standards of public decency.

Liberty does not preclude civic responsibility.

If a person is going to have their delicate sensibilities damaged by the chance that they might hear a word deemed inappropriate by another expressing their freedom to say whatever they want, then that person should not leave their house. Ever.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Bowser

If a person is going to have their delicate sensibilities damaged by the chance that they might hear a word deemed inappropriate by another expressing their freedom to say whatever they want, then that person should not leave their house. Ever.

Now, this is amnedable if someone politely asks her to keep it down, and she loses her shit with them.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Bowser

If a person is going to have their delicate sensibilities damaged by the chance that they might hear a word deemed inappropriate by another expressing their freedom to say whatever they want, then that person should not leave their house. Ever.

We don't have the freedom to say whatever we want. That's the whole point. He didn't make up the law on the spot, it already existed.

There's a big difference between having "delicate sensibilities" and expecting common courtesy and decency. IMO, we've turned into too much of an "anything goes" society. There is nothing wrong with expecting folks to have respect for others in a public place.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by RJ

We don't have the freedom to say whatever we want. That's the whole point. He didn't make up the on the spot, it already existed.

There's a big difference between having "delicate sensibilities" and expecting common courtesy and decency. IMO, we've turned into too much of an "anything goes" society. There is nothing wrong with expecting folks to have respect for others in a public place.

Really?

Did she yell fire and put people in danger?
Did she yell gun man and put people in danger?

No. At least not that we know of. So, no, there's no harm to other people. People don't have this right to be offended and have the offensive thing reprimanded.


And as for the bold, nothing could be more laughable. We can't show a breast on a movie screen without an instant R. We can't allow cuss words on cable. We can't deal with sound effects in Paper Planes by MIA on the radio. We can't deal with growing a certain type of plant. We can't deal with what people put in their bodies. We can't deal with lots of things.

Anything goes is as far from American society as anything.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Really?

Did she yell fire and put people in danger?
Did she yell gun man and put people in danger?

No. At least not that we know of. So, no, there's no harm to other people. People don't have this right to be offended and have the offensive thing reprimanded.


And as for the bold, nothing could be more laughable. We can't show a breast on a movie screen without an instant R. We can't allow cuss words on cable. We can't deal with sound effects in Paper Planes by MIA on the radio. We can't deal with growing a certain type of plant. We can't deal with what people put in their bodies. We can't deal with lots of things.

Anything goes is as far from American society as anything.

I'm talking about our behavior. I don't actually care about breasts or cussing on tv, I can decide what I watch or don't watch. I'm talking about people having respect for each other. You're on a whole different subject.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by RJ

I'm talking about our behavior. I don't actually care about breasts or cussing on tv, I can decide what I watch or don't watch. I'm talking about people having respect for each other. You're on a whole different subject.

While I agree that people should have respect for each other, I also recognize that people shouldn't be FORCED to display respect nor should they be punished/reprimanded for lacking respect.

I believe certain things but I don't try to force my morals on others through legislation unless there is some sort of tangible harm induced if not regulated.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

While I agree that people should have respect for each other, I also recognize that people shouldn't be FORCED to display respect nor should they be punished/reprimanded for lacking respect.

I believe certain things but I don't try to force my morals on others through legislation unless there is some sort of tangible harm induced if not regulated.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by RJ

I'm talking about our behavior. I don't actually care about breasts or cussing on tv, I can decide what I watch or don't watch. I'm talking about people having respect for each other. You're on a whole different subject.

No, I'm not. It may be different than what you want to get at, but it applies to your previous statement.

As long as you are not putting others in danger (fire in a theatre) freedom of speech is covered. It doesn't say the speech can't be offensive. If you want that, go to Canada where they're having their hands full with hate speech laws so vague that it's absurd.

You don't have a right to be offended and have said offender persecuted.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

No, I'm not. It may be different than what you want to get at, but it applies to your previous statement.

As long as you are not putting others in danger (fire in a theatre) freedom of speech is covered. It doesn't say the speech can't be offensive. If you want that, go to Canada where they're having their hands full with hate speech laws so vague that it's absurd.

You don't have a right to be offended and have said offender persecuted.

Since you were responding directly to me, yes, you were on a different subject. I wasn't talking about nipples on TV.

One day you'll understand where I'm coming from with this subject but it will be a few years. I'll give you credit for consistency, though. Your feelings on speech are the same as your feelings on dress codes.....basically, screw everyone else, if the rest of you don't like what I'm doing or wearing or saying you should leave. But I do think you'll see things a little different one day.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by RJ

Since you were responding directly to me, yes, you were on a different subject. I wasn't talking about nipples on TV.

You said we'd become an "anything goes" society. I provided many instances of this not being the case and you say that's changing the topic.

One day you'll understand where I'm coming from with this subject but it will be a few years. I'll give you credit for consistency, though. Your feelings on speech are the same as your feelings on dress codes.....basically, screw everyone else, if the rest of you don't like what I'm doing or wearing or saying you should leave. But I do think you'll see things a little different one day.

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all. I am merely pointing out that a) it is not illegal b) should not be illegal and c) we have become extremely pussified in America. Everyone is offended by something and we act like it's a right NOT to be offended. It's not.

As for the dress codes, private property is private property. I conceded that up front. But the Power and Light wasn't really private property. It was funded by the city for the city. Banning certain dress does create a nice atmosphere but it is also blatantly obvious as to who they are getting at. It's the same as saying "we don't serve your kind here" to blacks or gays.

In this case, it's protected under the first amendment. Free speech is free speech as long as it isn't putting someone in danger. How do you think Fred Phelps gets away with the shit he pulls?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by RJ

We don't have the freedom to say whatever we want. That's the whole point. He didn't make up the law on the spot, it already existed.

There's a big difference between having "delicate sensibilities" and expecting common courtesy and decency. IMO, we've turned into too much of an "anything goes" society. There is nothing wrong with expecting folks to have respect for others in a public place.

I amended my original post.

And I will agree there is a huge difference between letting an f-bomb fly if she stubs her toe, and dropping f-bombs like she's carpet bombing outside of Tikrit.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I amended my original post.

And I will agree there is a huge difference between letting an f-bomb fly if she stubs her toe, and dropping f-bombs like she's carpet bombing outside of Tikrit.

No difference, unless someone is in danger. And kids' ears don't count as danger.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by RJ

We don't have the freedom to say whatever we want. That's the whole point. He didn't make up the law on the spot, it already existed.

There's a big difference between having "delicate sensibilities" and expecting common courtesy and decency. IMO, we've turned into too much of an "anything goes" society. There is nothing wrong with expecting folks to have respect for others in a public place.

Hmm.. I may be mistaken but I don't remember it being afforded the right to life, liberty, RESPECT, and the pursuit of happiness.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Hmm.. I may be mistaken but I don't remember it being afforded the right to life, liberty, RESPECT, and the pursuit of happiness.

No, it is simply a reasonable expectation for all of us to have of each other.