Chiefs Herm Edwards - Page 2

**luv** · 12:15 AM

Herm Edwards was born to an African American father and a German mother on April 27, 1954. While I'm sure he had a glorious childhood, let's fast forward to his football career.

During college, he played for the Univerity of California, Monterey Peninsula Junior College, back to the University of California, and then San Diego State for his senior year.

During his years playing in the NFL, 1977-1986 to be precise, he had 33 career interceptions as a cornerback for the Philadelphia Eagles, where he never missed a game. One of these interceptions happened on November 19, 1978 against the New York Giants. Instead of taking a knee, NYG quarterback, Joe Pisarcik, fumbled the ball when attempting to hand it off in the last seconds of the game. Herm scooped up the ball and returned it for a touchdown. The Eagles won the game, 19-17. Philadelphia refers to this as The Miracle at the Meadowlands, whereas New York refers to it as The Fumble.

Before announcing his retirement as a player, Herm playing briefly for the then Los Angeles Rams and Atlanta Falcons.

He began his career in coaching as the defensive assistant coach at San Jose State University from 1987 to 1989.

From 1990 to 1995, Herm served as an NFL scout and defensive backs coach for the Kansas City Chiefs before going on to work underneath Tony Dungy in Tampa Bay as the defensive backs coach and assistant head coach until 2000. This is when he decided to try his hand in being the head coach for the New York Jets.

During his tenure as head coach for the Jets, Herm had an overall record of 39-41, including a 2-3 playoff record and going 5-15 during his last 20 games. After a controversial move made in 2006, he went back to the Kansas City Chiefs.

This time in Kansas City, Herm is playing the role of head coach. In his first year, he led the team to a 9-7 season and a berth into the postseason, where they lost to the Indianapolis Colts in the Wild Card game. Last year, his team won a dismal 4 games. So far for this year, the Chiefs are off to an 0-2 start. The organization has not won a season opener under Herm Edwards. In fact, the last time the Chiefs did win a season opener, they did so against the New York Jets while Herm was still there.

Overall, Herm has a regular season winning percentage of .456 with a post season record of .333. How does this compare to his time back in Kansas City? In the last 35 games, including one postseason, the Chiefs have a winning percentage of .382 and .000.

Why would the Chiefs give up a fourth round draft pick for a coach who hasn't won half of his games? Maybe some of you expert fans can answer that one for me.

Having worked in production, if my productivity rate was under 50%, I would no longer have a job. Maybe he has good quality? In this business, your productivity rate is based highly upon your quality of work. In other words, under 50% as well. You're asking about customer service? Well, I don't think there's any room for doubt on that, either.

I had started to wonder how Herm was able to keep his job before deciding to dig up a few facts. Now, I'm wondering why he was hired to begin with. Perhaps Carl Peterson believes Herm can pull out another miracle 30 years later. After all, "you play to win the game", right?

**chasedude** · 09-18-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

The term heterosis, also known as hybrid vigor or outbreeding enhancement, describes the increased strength of different characteristics in hybrids; the possibility to obtain a genetically superior individual by combining the virtues of its parents.

Well, they missed the mark on that one.

Otter · 09-18-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

The term heterosis, also known as hybrid vigor or outbreeding enhancement, describes the increased strength of different characteristics in hybrids; the possibility to obtain a genetically superior individual by combining the virtues of its parents.

Check out the big brain on Mo!!!

Mr. Laz · 09-18-2008, 10:21 AM

Herm was hired because he was Carl's buddy and Peterson didn't want any kind of power struggle like he experiences with Marty Shottenheimer.

once again ....... winning was not the top priority

has winning EVER been the top priority with this assclown?!?

Otter · 09-18-2008, 10:31 AM

For the record I think familiarity and not rocking the proverbial boat of "cushy job, low expectations" carries much truth in all hiring under Carl.

**luv** · 09-18-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

For the record I think familiarity and not rocking the proverbial boat of "cushy job, low expectations" carries much truth in all hiring under Carl.

Maybe that's the game he talks about winning....how to make as much money as you can by doing as little as you can.

**luv** · 09-18-2008, 10:38 AM

Was Peterson our GM from 91-95? I know he's been with the organization for awhile, but wasn't sure just how long.

Hammock Parties · 09-18-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

Was Peterson our GM from 91-95? I know he's been with the organization for awhile, but wasn't sure just how long.

Since 89

King_Chief_Fan · 09-18-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

Was Peterson our GM from 91-95? I know he's been with the organization for awhile, but wasn't sure just how long.

he is in his 20th year

**luv** · 09-18-2008, 10:43 AM

Methinks tonight will be spent doing a little research on Mr Peterson.

Deberg_1990 · 09-18-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

Methinks tonight will be spent doing a little research on Mr Peterson.

Oh good lord....just shoot me now.

Actually, heres an idea: Instead of rehashing his sad history with the Chiefs, try focusing on his early history like UCLA, his history with DV, the Eagles and USFL.

**luv** · 09-18-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Oh good lord....just shoot me now.

Actually, heres an idea: Instead of rehashing his sad history with the Chiefs, try focusing on his early history like UCLA, his history with DV, the Eagles and USFL.

Not to worry, it's just for my own curiosity.

ChiefsCountry · 09-18-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Methinks tonight will be spent doing a little research on Mr Peterson.

Just stop in 1995.

chiefs1okie · 09-18-2008, 12:58 PM

ChiefsCountry,
Just saw your sig.... do you really think Bradford will make a quality NFL qb, or are you being fecetious? Or will he go the way of Huepel and White?

**luv** · 09-18-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1okie

ChiefsCountry,
Just saw your sig.... do you really think Bradford will make a quality NFL qb, or are you being fecetious? Or will he go the way of Huepel and White?

Is he a senior this year? I was thinking he was just a junior.

chiefs1okie · 09-18-2008, 05:50 PM

Not even a Jr. played as a true freshman last year and is in his soph. year at OU. Will not be eligible for NFL draft till 2010 (if he if he declares after his jr. yr.)

09-17-2008, 11:53 PM
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1250000	Herm Edwards Herm Edwards was born to an African American father and a German mother on April 27, 1954. While I'm sure he had a glorious childhood, let's fast forward to his football career. During college, he played for the Univerity of California, Monterey Peninsula Junior College, back to the University of California, and then San Diego State for his senior year. During his years playing in the NFL, 1977-1986 to be precise, he had 33 career interceptions as a cornerback for the Philadelphia Eagles, where he never missed a game. One of these interceptions happened on November 19, 1978 against the New York Giants. Instead of taking a knee, NYG quarterback, Joe Pisarcik, fumbled the ball when attempting to hand it off in the last seconds of the game. Herm scooped up the ball and returned it for a touchdown. The Eagles won the game, 19-17. Philadelphia refers to this as The Miracle at the Meadowlands, whereas New York refers to it as The Fumble. Before announcing his retirement as a player, Herm playing briefly for the then Los Angeles Rams and Atlanta Falcons. He began his career in coaching as the defensive assistant coach at San Jose State University from 1987 to 1989. From 1990 to 1995, Herm served as an NFL scout and defensive backs coach for the Kansas City Chiefs before going on to work underneath Tony Dungy in Tampa Bay as the defensive backs coach and assistant head coach until 2000. This is when he decided to try his hand in being the head coach for the New York Jets. During his tenure as head coach for the Jets, Herm had an overall record of 39-41, including a 2-3 playoff record and going 5-15 during his last 20 games. After a controversial move made in 2006, he went back to the Kansas City Chiefs. This time in Kansas City, Herm is playing the role of head coach. In his first year, he led the team to a 9-7 season and a berth into the postseason, where they lost to the Indianapolis Colts in the Wild Card game. Last year, his team won a dismal 4 games. So far for this year, the Chiefs are off to an 0-2 start. The organization has not won a season opener under Herm Edwards. In fact, the last time the Chiefs did win a season opener, they did so against the New York Jets while Herm was still there. Overall, Herm has a regular season winning percentage of .456 with a post season record of .333. How does this compare to his time back in Kansas City? In the last 35 games, including one postseason, the Chiefs have a winning percentage of .382 and .000. Why would the Chiefs give up a fourth round draft pick for a coach who hasn't won half of his games? Maybe some of you expert fans can answer that one for me. Having worked in production, if my productivity rate was under 50%, I would no longer have a job. Maybe he has good quality? In this business, your productivity rate is based highly upon your quality of work. In other words, under 50% as well. You're asking about customer service? Well, I don't think there's any room for doubt on that, either. I had started to wonder how Herm was able to keep his job before deciding to dig up a few facts. Now, I'm wondering why he was hired to begin with. Perhaps Carl Peterson believes Herm can pull out another miracle 30 years later. After all, "you play to win the game", right? Last edited by luv; 09-18-2008 at 12:15 AM.. Reason: spelling
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09-18-2008, 10:21 AM	#18
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Herm was hired because he was Carl's buddy and Peterson didn't want any kind of power struggle like he experiences with Marty Shottenheimer. once again ....... winning was not the top priority has winning EVER been the top priority with this assclown?!? __________________
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09-18-2008, 10:38 AM	#21
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1250000	Was Peterson our GM from 91-95? I know he's been with the organization for awhile, but wasn't sure just how long.
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09-18-2008, 10:43 AM	#24
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1250000	Methinks tonight will be spent doing a little research on Mr Peterson.
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09-18-2008, 12:58 PM	#28
chiefs1okie Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tahlequah, Oklahoma Casino cash: $9044750	ChiefsCountry, Just saw your sig.... do you really think Bradford will make a quality NFL qb, or are you being fecetious? Or will he go the way of Huepel and White? __________________ WE'RE GONNA BEAT THE HELL OUTTA YOU.....YOU... YOU.... YOU,YOU, YOU !!!!!!
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09-18-2008, 05:50 PM	#30
chiefs1okie Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tahlequah, Oklahoma Casino cash: $9044750	Not even a Jr. played as a true freshman last year and is in his soph. year at OU. Will not be eligible for NFL draft till 2010 (if he if he declares after his jr. yr.) __________________ WE'RE GONNA BEAT THE HELL OUTTA YOU.....YOU... YOU.... YOU,YOU, YOU !!!!!!
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