PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator

[Dave Lane]

Very interesting article...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm

Down — but definitely out

Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning

By Dan Arkush
Sept. 22, 2008

With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season.

That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition.

Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope.

“On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.”

Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games.

The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck.

Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security.

Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available.

“They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive.

“The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).”

Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media.

“We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.”

What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions.

“He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”

[BigMeatballDave]

That may be true, but he's way better than DV.

[Lzen]

Isn't PFW known for making up BS and/or spreading rumors?
If so, I would not put any stock in their articles.

[Deberg_1990]

Id like to know who the "veteran pro evaluator" was?

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

That may be true, but he's way better than DV.

This was better than DV's Draft's, but DV will end his career with a better record and Superbowl Ring, Something "Keen Eye Guy" will never have!

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I don't agree with that article. Yesterday 11 true rookies contributed significantly in that game and they played better than many of the veterans. Dorsey and Albert for example, played a great game. Most of the breakdowns are from players who came to the team via free agency (Pigpen, Darling, McInTOAD, Jones, Williams, Thomas, Edwards). I am very please with the quality of players the Chiefs have drafted the last 3 years.

It said he is a horrible talent evaluator.............The guys you list, who was it that brought them in? heh, Herm.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

“First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film.

this sounds like someone who has actually been around Herm.


not good at all

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Laz

this sounds like someone who has actually been around Herm.


not good at all

I wonder if he's borrowing Tank Tyler's no dose.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I wonder if he's borrowing Tank Tyler's no dose.

meh, watching tape is overrated anyway

[chiefsngop]

I think Herm's ok at gathering the puzzle pieces, he just sucks at putting them together.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by chiefsngop

I think Herm's ok at gathering the puzzle pieces, he just sucks at putting them together.

Anything more than this is way to complicated for Herm and would be considered arena league puzzles..

[whoman69]

I still have to laugh when I remember people were comparing Herm when to came to KC to Tony Dungy when he came to Indy. I don't remember Dungy going 4-12 in Tampa and leaving them in a shambles. The only thing they have in common coaching wise is the Tampa cover 2.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

“First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film.”

If this is insinuating that Herm goes to bed at 9 o'clock it's false. Nick was with him all day during training camp and he was working until 11. Who knows what he did after that.

Herm has so much energy. He's going like a maniac 24/7. He's incredible.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Claythan

If this is insinuating that Herm goes to bed at 9 o'clock it's false. Nick was with him all day during training camp and he was working until 11. Who knows what he did after that.

Herm has so much energy. He's going like a maniac 24/7. He's incredible.

Yeah, but you can't be a spaztastic sack of shit when you are watching detailed fundementals on film.

Just because you can pull all-nighters and make gay ass "Welcome to Training Camp" signs, doesn't mean you can pay enough attention to break down film.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Isn't PFW known for making up BS and/or spreading rumors?
If so, I would not put any stock in their articles.

That's pro football talk.

Also the stuff about passing on Ryan is sad but true, and alot of people wanted to do just the same.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Claythan

If this is insinuating that Herm goes to bed at 9 o'clock it's false. Nick was with him all day during training camp and he was working until 11. Who knows what he did after that.

Herm has so much energy. He's going like a maniac 24/7. He's incredible.

WTF does that have to do with putting in the tedious work in the film room, and making well-thought out and informed decisions? Herm is an energetic bullshit artist, not a serious student of the game