AP: Chiefs hoping Broncos' luck rubs off on them

[Tribal Warfare]

Chiefs hoping Broncos' luck rubs off on them
Updated: September 25, 2008, 5:37 PM EST

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - While everybody raves about how lucky Denver's been, Kansas City coach Herm Edwards finds something even more admirable about the unbeaten Broncos.

They've been smart, Edwards says. Most of all, they've been steadfast. They put up with the inevitable growing pains of young players, particularly quarterback Jay Cutler, and are now reaping the rewards.

It's the sort of thing a coach in Edwards' seat would quickly note. He's struggling with a restive, unruly fan base and an 0-3 team loaded with young players who are experiencing the same fatal errors that Mike Shanahan's Broncos displayed while Cutler and other young athletes were coming around.

"Mike's been patient. He's been very patient with (Cutler)," said Edwards. "Brought him along, and the guy's gotten better. He's learned from his errors. And they stuck together and the guy's just gotten better and gotten better. Now all of a sudden, he's playing well and he's got some confidence."

It's the same future Edwards foresees for the Chiefs (0-3) once they work their way past this painful process of on-the-job training. The next test in the education will be dished out by the Broncos (3-0) at Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday.

With Cutler ranking second in the league with 914 yards passing, the Broncos are one of five 3-0 teams and have a passing offense ranking second.

"They've won some close games. They're putting up a lot of points and he's doing a great job and that's what you like to see," Edwards said.

"Here's a guy they developed at quarterback. How about that? They developed a quarterback. They drafted a guy three years ago and he finally is playing good after three years. He's playing what they thought they were going to get. They sat there and they developed the guy. And it's taken that long for them to do it."

Brodie Croyle, in his third year with Kansas City, is supposed to be the quarterback of the future but is having trouble staying on the field. Felled by a shoulder injury, he's marking time until he can come back, possibly in mid-October.

Cutler himself feels bad for his counterpart.

"They put me in as a rookie, let me develop for a year or so and here we are," said Cutler, who's 2-0 against the Chiefs. "You've got to be in there to learn and experience stuff. I talk to Brodie every once in a while. It's tough when you get hurt as a young quarterback because you don't get those snaps. You don't get that time in practice."

The Chiefs will be out to win for the first time in 13 games, a franchise-worst skid that has fans calling for the scalp of general manager Carl Peterson and just about everyone else in the front office whose name they know how to pronounce.

A victory, Edwards said, would be "like three Christmases rolled into one. And New Year's. And everything else."

For the third straight week, Edwards is making a change at quarterback.

This week it's Damon Huard's turn to take the reins. The 12-year veteran, who was benched in favor of Tyler Thigpen in the third week, now sends Thigpen back to the sideline and gets his second start in a season that is threatening to turn into something totally forgettable.

Adding to the Chiefs' angst will be the name of the man who'll be snapping the ball to Cutler. It's none other than Casey Wiegmann, who served as KC's highly capable center from 2001-07, helping anchor what used to be one of the best offensive lines in Chiefs history.

Signed by the Broncos after the Chiefs cut him, Wiegmann became the Broncos' starter when Tom Nalen went on injured reserve.

"Casey was such a great player from Kansas City for so many years and we were just shocked that he was on the street," said Shanahan. "When we saw that he was on the street, we just tried to gobble him up as quickly as we could knowing that any injury is possible during the season."

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Shanahan was 6-4 against Vermiel. He beat him 6 times, and lost to him four.

He outcoached Vermiel.

I dunno about outcoached.

Our defense was so piss poor bad, when you guys had Portis, I used to cringe watching those games.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Brock

You'll have to explain to KCJohnny that 11 years is longer than a decade.

Yes, KCJohnny is the one who doesn't understand the lenth of a decade:

Brock Landers:
"the game passed Gunther by more than a decade ago."

Decade = 10 years.

More than a decade = 11+ years.

11 years ago, the Kansas City Chiefs won the defense scoring title, repeating the same feat accomplished in the 1995 campaign. KC's D was the NFL's best in the period of 1995-1997 under Gunther Cunningham.

Brock also compared the US Army to junior high school, just so all you vets know Mr. Landers' deep and abiding respect for your service to our nation.

And to cap it all off, Brock Landers sent KCJohnny this lovely Hallmark Card as a Neg Rep comment:

nobody's afraid of you, cocksmoker. Go beat your wife and kids some more.

- September 14, 2008

[Brock]

Hey, don't blame me if you can't do simple math. That may explain a lot about you and your situation. As far as the neg rep goes, you have my apologies, if it means you'll stop whining about it.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Yes, KCJohnny is the one who doesn't understand the lenth of a decade:

Brock Landers:
"the game passed Gunther by more than a decade ago."

Decade = 10 years.

More than a decade = 11+ years.

11 years ago, the Kansas City Chiefs won the defense scoring title, repeating the same feat accomplished in the 1995 campaign. KC's D was the NFL's best in the period of 1995-1997 under Gunther Cunningham.

Brock also compared the US Army to junior high school, just so all you vets know Mr. Landers' deep and abiding respect for your service to our nation.

And to cap it all off, Brock Landers sent KCJohnny this lovely Hallmark Card as a Neg Rep comment:

- September 14, 2008

Dude, you really need to stop with the whole Military services thing. We aren't here to try to offend you, you've brought it up many times in the past........we all get you have great aspirations for the military and their services.....it's gettin kinda old, dude.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Dude, you really need to stop with the whole Military services thing. We aren't here to try to offend you, you've brought it up many times in the past........we all get you have great aspirations for the military and their services.....it's gettin kinda old, dude.

You need to check facts before you condemn others. I didn't bring it up.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

You need to check facts before you condemn others. I didn't bring it up.

You always bring that shit up.......no one cares anymore.....its old.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

You need to check facts before you condemn others. I didn't bring it up.

For once.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by triple

denver usually does not have that great of talent. top to bottom, the are never the most talented team in the NFL, not since their superbowls a decade ago. maybe they even are middle of the road most years. they have made tons of bad picks and free agent signings.

but shanahan always has teams gameplanned, they always exploit our weaknesses on defense like surgeons, they end up making adjustments we can't adjust to.

i'm surprised people are feeling cocky when the league's best offense so far is visiting the league's worst defense. normally you look at that and say, we're screwed.

and that is to say nothing of the league's worst offense also playing in the game.

So, you're saying there's hope?

FAX

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Brock

Hey, don't blame me if you can't do simple math. That may explain a lot about you and your situation. As far as the neg rep goes, you have my apologies, if it means you'll stop whining about it.

If I have your apologies, then you will agree that I am not whining about anything. I am fully willing to accept your apologies but you do not have a blank check to insult veterans because of your low opinion of KCJ, which is exactly what you did.

Some of you people need assistance in distinguishing between real life (warfare, politics, families) and an internet bulletin board dedicated to discussion forums about entertainment.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

If I have your apologies, then you will agree that I am not whining about anything. I am fully willing to accept your apologies but you do not have a blank check to insult veterans because of your low opinion of KCJ, which is exactly what you did.

Some of you people need assistance in distinguishing between real life (warfare, politics, families) and an internet bulletin board dedicated to discussion forums about entertainment.

So do you man........good lord.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You always bring that shit up.......no one cares anymore.....its old.

So are your cheap shots, one liners and ad hominem attacks, young man. I and others are less than entertained by your drive-by spewings disguised as Chiefs discussion.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

If I have your apologies, then you will agree that I am not whining about anything. I am fully willing to accept your apologies but you do not have a blank check to insult veterans because of your low opinion of KCJ, which is exactly what you did.

Some of you people need assistance in distinguishing between real life (warfare, politics, families) and an internet bulletin board dedicated to discussion forums about entertainment.

You're always whining. One would think you could look back at your several full-on meltdowns in the past and realize that it isn't me who has the problem distinguishing internet vs. real life.

[keg in kc]

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

So are your cheap shots, one liners and ad hominem attacks, young man. I and others are less than entertained by your drive-by spewings disguised as Chiefs discussion.

I talk about Chiefs on this board ALL the time on this forum.

Anytime anyone talks about the war, Bush, politics negatively, you spew off about how they're disrespecting our fellow soldiers and aren't american blah blah blah.


Your ass needs to strictly hang out in the DC forum......that and your knowledge of football in general is downright laughable.

[TEX]

Maybe someone ought to tell Herm that the Broncos rebuilt with a legit QBOTF. The Chiefs aren't. The Broncos rebuilt within a "system." the Chiefs don't have one. The Broncos never were as bad as the Chiefs are now. The Rat is a far better coach than Herm will ever be.