Were our coordinators finally turned loose?

[Fish]

Good thread.

I don't think our playcalling or game-planning was different in this game at all. We still tried to establish the run first, and not put too much pressure on the QB. Difference being, this game they executed well and it actually worked. Turnover ratio was in our favor. It's funny how much perceptions change because of a win.

Compare Fax's 1st down stats to last week's first down stats vs. Atlanta:

Pass -T.Thigpen sacked at KC 29 for -7 yards(55-J.Abraham).
Run -L.Johnson right tackle to KC 24 for 3 yards(50-C.Lofton).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short left to 42-M.Cox.
Run -L.Johnson left tackle to KC 31 for 7 yards (36-L.Milloy).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 22 for no gain (90-G.Jackson).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 81-D.Darling.
Run -J.Charles left end to KC 33 for 11 yards (59-M.Boley).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass short right intended for 81-D.Darling INTERCEPTED
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 81-D.Darling.
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short middle to 88-T.Gonzalez.
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short left to 88-T.Gonzalez [98-J.Anderson].
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete deep left to 82-D.Bowe.
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete deep middle to 85-W.Franklin (36-L.Milloy).
Run -L.Johnson right tackle to ATL 34 for 48 yards (26-E.Coleman). FUMBLES (26-E.Coleman), ball out of bounds at ATL 27.
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 33 for 1 yard (56-K.Brooking).
Run -L.Johnson left end to ATL 17 for 6 yards (26-E.Coleman).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 1 for 5 yards (36-L.Milloy).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 44 for 2 yards (56-K.Brooking).
Run -L.Johnson right end to ATL 30 for 13 yards (26-E.Coleman, 36-L.Milloy).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass short right to 82-D.Bowe to ATL 21 for 9 yards (26-E.Coleman, 55-J.Abraham).
Run -L.Johnson left end to ATL 19 for -2 yards (26-E.Coleman).
Run -L.Johnson right end to KC 16 for 9 yards (20-B.Grimes). PENALTY
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 3 for -1 yards (71-K.Biermann, 90-G.Jackson).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 82-D.Bowe.
Run -L.Johnson right end to ATL 20 for no gain (52-C.Wire).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 4 for 4 yards (26-E.Coleman).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass short left intended for 82-D.Bowe INTERCEPTED
Run -J.Charles up the middle to KC 17 for 3 yards (59-M.Boley).

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Good thread.

I don't think our playcalling or game-planning was different in this game at all.

People who don't really know a lot of football always see losing as the result of two things and two things only: playcalling and effort. This is because they don't really understand all of the little things that must be executed properly to win the battle on each snap. And on virtually all plays at the professional level teams are not fooled or bowled over by superior effort - they are simply out-executed.

Bill Belichick explains this very well in the few times he speaks at length to the press.

[Buehler445]

I think this is a good point to discuss. Offensively, I was thoroughly NOT impressed with the play calling, particularly in the Red Zone. Most especially in the Red Zone after a turnover. After a turnover is when you can throw some garbage out there if you are ahead. Someone gives you a freebee, take a chance and try to stick the dagger. Shanarat has done this to us 10,000 times, but we just run the ball, run the ball, and.....run the ball. Most importantly, Herm's "safe" workhorse turned the ball over when he got upended, so running isn't all that safe either.

To their defense though, Huard did throw an aweful lot of bad balls. An aweful lot of them. But they had to be thrown to loosen up the D for LJ. And I have no freaking idea why they weren't trying to go downfield with Brodie. He throws much better balls than Huard does.

While there is improvement on offense, I'm not impressed by it.

Defensively though, this is the first time in years I've thought, "this is a well prepared group." I'm glad Herm let Gun throw some garbage at them. It was very very necessary. When Culter had as much time as he wanted, he was picking us to pieces. Hopefully we can continue to attack defensively.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

While there is improvement on offense, I'm not impressed by it.

Did we actually improve on offense, or is it possible that their D-Line is every bit as bad as the right side of our O-Line?

Me, I think it's the latter.

I knew they were bad, but I underestimated just how bad they actually were.

Huard actually had time in the pocket in this game.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by milkman

Did we actually improve on offense, or is it possible that their D-Line is every bit as bad as the right side of our O-Line?

Me, I think it's the latter.

I knew they were bad, but I underestimated just how bad they actually were.

Huard actually had time in the pocket in this game.

Yeah, I think we may need to temper enthusiasm with the knowledge that the goat defense is really, really bad.

FAX

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by milkman

Did we actually improve on offense, or is it possible that their D-Line is every bit as bad as the right side of our O-Line?

Me, I think it's the latter.

I knew they were bad, but I underestimated just how bad they actually were.

Huard actually had time in the pocket in this game.

I was talking from a scheme perspective, but your point is valid. Particularly since that 65 yard run was sprung from the right side before their D could have been worn out.