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Old 10-14-2008, 02:38 PM  
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Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!!
Ok, I know there was a lot of drama over the trades but the reality is we have AT LEAST 2, and in that case our BEST 2, players that want out from under Carl, Herm and the Chiefs. So after Allen opined in the same manner last year, one has to wonder how many people on this team really want to be here?

So who is the next one to want out from the disaster Herm and Co have created? Bowe? Charles? Flowers or Carr?

You can debate whether TG and LJ are right or wrong all you want. The fact is we have a team now where the best guys don't want to be here.


WAY TO ****ING REBUILD CARL!!!


Herm has ruined this team where Carl couldn't.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:02 AM   #196
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I'm sorry?

Dick developed players?

Name 5.
Most of that offense was put together with a bunch of guys who were backups on other teams and they excelled when they came here to play for Vermeil.

Casey Wiegmann developed under Vermeil.

Dante Hall developed under Vermeil.

Trent Green developed under Vermeil.

Brian Waters developed under Vermeil.

Priest Holmes developed under Vermeil.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:04 AM   #197
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I'm sorry?

Dick developed players?

Name 5.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:04 AM   #198
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Green was a better player in KC, Waters, Kennison was thought of as a lost cause, Hall, Allen, Colquitt.
Green was playing some good football for a bad "Skin team, which is the reason that Martz brought him to the Rams.

He was having a monster preseason before Harrison took out his knees, and looked great every time he got a chance in STL. after he came back from the injury.

He was already developed when he came to KC.
The rest of the offense had to catch up to him.

Developing a punter?

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Old 10-15-2008, 10:05 AM   #199
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Most of that offense was put together with a bunch of guys who were backups on other teams and they excelled when they came here to play for Vermeil.

Casey Wiegmann developed under Vermeil.

Dante Hall developed under Vermeil.

Trent Green developed under Vermeil.

Brian Waters developed under Vermeil.

Priest Holmes developed under Vermeil.
That isn't development.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:06 AM   #200
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:07 AM   #201
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That isn't development.
okay I give, then what is it?
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:07 AM   #202
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That isn't development.
The fact that the whole was bigger than the sum of the parts is what coaching is all about.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:08 AM   #203
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Most of that offense was put together with a bunch of guys who were backups on other teams and they excelled when they came here to play for Vermeil.

Casey Wiegmann developed under Vermeil.

Dante Hall developed under Vermeil.

Trent Green developed under Vermeil.

Brian Waters developed under Vermeil.

Priest Holmes developed under Vermeil.
I don't believe that you can say that Green and Priest developed under Dick.

Martz developed Green in Washington, and the Chiefs (and Dick, by extension] reaped the rewards when he finally got his cahnce to start.

Priest had already had a couple of good seasons in an offense that he was a poor fit for, and Saunders offense just utilized his talent better.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:08 AM   #204
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okay I give, then what is it?
That's taking veteran players that fit and plugging them into a designed offense.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:09 AM   #205
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I'm surprised he didn't try to give Vermeil credit for "developing" Willie Roaf.
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The fact that the whole was bigger than the sum of the parts is what coaching is all about.
That's an observation I can agree with.

To bad the whole (both offense and defense) weren't.
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That's taking veteran players that fit and plugging them into a designed offense.
Exactly.
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The fact that the whole was bigger than the sum of the parts is what coaching is all about.
Too bad the sum of the parts only added up to half a team.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:29 AM   #209
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Developing a punter?
You bet your ass - developing a punter. Without that punter this team may have been winless last year and this year. He's the glue in this sad organization.
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I don't believe that you can say that Green and Priest developed under Dick.

Martz developed Green in Washington, and the Chiefs (and Dick, by extension] reaped the rewards when he finally got his cahnce to start.

Priest had already had a couple of good seasons in an offense that he was a poor fit for, and Saunders offense just utilized his talent better.
So a player basically has to have zero successful seasons, basically start all from scratch with nothing, and work under that same head coach for years in order for a developmental process to take place?
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