Chiefs WHITLOCK - Herm is innocent, Carl is evil - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2008, 11:00 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/841754.html

In the minutes after the Chiefs failed to unload unhappy tight end Tony Gonzalez, Herm Edwards sent a clear, concise, fair and accurate message Tuesday afternoon:

The aborted fire sale and current mess at Arrowhead Stadium are not his creation or a reflection of his coaching methods.

When asked by radio reporter Rhonda Moss what Gonzalez’s trade request said about Carl Peterson, the Chiefs organization and its current head coach, Edwards — perhaps unintentionally — summarized his position on the whole affair.

“It doesn’t say anything about me,” Edwards responded. “It doesn’t say one thing about me. It has nothing to do with me. You need to ask the player that. That’s not for me to answer. I’m not going to answer for a football player. I don’t have to do that. I answer for the decisions that I make, what comes out of my mouth.”

Edwards couldn’t have been more transparent.

Kansas City’s inability to retrieve reasonable compensation for Gonzalez is not Herm’s fault. Larry Johnson’s third assault case and possible suspension (by the league or the Chiefs) are not Herm’s fault. The lack of league-wide interest in the services of Damon Huard, Patrick Surtain and Donnie Edwards is not Herm’s fault.

You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons, but it is unfair to make him culpable for the sad reality that things are likely to get worse before they get significantly better for the Chiefs.

Carl Peterson is responsible for that.

Much will be made of Herm’s apparently smug and dismissive tone at Tuesday’s news conference. He said he hadn’t spoken to Gonzalez about the situation and probably wouldn’t. Edwards said he hadn’t spoken to Larry Johnson about his latest off-field mishap. With his team sitting at 1-4 and reeling from an embarrassing loss at Carolina, Edwards is focused on controlling what he can control and leaving the rest in God’s hands or the people responsible for the problem.

It’s a prudent approach, if you believe the truth will set you free.

It’s no secret that the Chiefs are an organization burning in flames, and Edwards seems to be getting more and more comfortable letting everyone see the gas, matches and electric fans sitting on Carl Peterson’s desk.

Let’s look at this objectively, shall we? Peterson has run this ballclub like a private fraternity. His special pledges — Gonzalez, Johnson, Priest Holmes and, to a lesser degree, Donnie Edwards — have been rewarded with contracts that haven’t necessarily been in the best interest of the football team.

•Peterson misread Gonzalez’s ability to deal with a rebuilding process.

•Peterson misread Johnson’s ability to handle success, money, leadership and a 400-carry season.

•Peterson misread Holmes’ desire to continue playing football after recovering from a hip injury by any means necessary.

•Peterson misread Donnie Edwards’ ability to remain healthy after more than a decade of being injury free.

•And most damaging, Peterson miscalculated by a year the right time to blow up the roster and usher in a youth movement.

All of that misreading, miscalculating and special friendship with players who have never won the Chiefs a single playoff game created the chaos that has turned the franchise into a laughingstock.

Look, if the Patriots give Tom Brady and Tedy Bruschi one contract extension too many, I’ll understand it and totally forgive Bill Belichick. If the Colts let Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison overstay their usefulness, it’s defensible. Those players won championships for their franchises.

But the NFL is the league that dumps Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, runs Brett Favre to New York and lets Joe Namath hobble around Los Angeles and O.J. Simpson limp across San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Carl Peterson tosses golden parachutes to his favorite draft picks and free-agent signings over drinks at the Capital Grille.

It’s unprofessional. It’s irresponsible. It’s a good-old-boy network in a league that requires a ruthless disloyalty when it comes to money.

You know what used to irritate Marty Schottenheimer? Every time he tried to take a hard-line disciplinary stance with Derrick Thomas, the Golden Child would run to his adopted father (Peterson) for protection.

Gonzalez has spent the last two weeks upset that he didn’t get to break the tight-end record at home against the Broncos. He had his family in town. The Chiefs were going to stop the game and have a quick ceremony.

Who do you think planned the on-field party, Herm or Carl? Who do you think raised Tony’s expectations for a hey-look-at-me moment and set up potential conflict between star player and head coach, Herm or Carl?

The way the club is currently managed, a coaching staff filled with Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh, Don Shula and Hank Stram couldn’t lead the Chiefs to .500.

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Croyle was Herm's boy from the word go. He wanted Croyle to start but he was so ****ing gag-reflex terrible in the preseason there was no option.

Carl didn't force anything he just called an easy shot from the inside.

There's this odd dichotomy where Carl knows more than fans think about football and fans know more than Carl thinks they do about football...

Well Rausch, we wouldnt be in this situation with our QB's IF we would have started Croyle last year...

I think it has been said many of times, starting Huard wasted this franchise 2 years..

Well here we are.. Besides, who in the hell drafted and signed these QB's? They should be fired on that alone. You dont rebuild your franchise with a total youth movement, without a solid LT (which ours always seems like is hurt) and without a solid QB prospect behind center (which ours always seems like is hurt)..

Again, That alone should get you fired.

chiefsngop · 10-15-2008, 09:55 AM

As for the article, another nail in Herm Edwards casket for me.

"It has nothing to do with me" - Herm Edwards

Bullsh*t Herm, EVERYTHING that happens on this team "has to do with you". Your the fucking head coach, you saw the situation when you started here, it's your job to manipulate it and fix it and win ... period.

You took the job knowing you'd be working under Carl Peterson and Hunt, you saw the roster and the situation before signing up. None of this should be a surprise to you, and none of it is an acceptable excuse. So take some god d*mned accountability and win.

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsngop

As for the article, another nail in Herm Edwards casket for me.

"It has nothing to do with me" - Herm Edwards

Bullsh*t Herm, EVERYTHING that happens on this team "has to do with you". Your the fucking head coach, you saw the situation when you started here, it's your job to manipulate it and fix it and win ... period.

You took the job knowing you'd be working under Carl Peterson and Hunt, you saw the roster and the situation before signing up. None of this should be a surprise to you, and none of it is an acceptable excuse. So take some god d*mned accountability for once and stop BLAMING everyone else for your failures.

FYP

Chiefnj2 · 10-15-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I will never forget the episode that they are sitting around that table, talking about the QB's.. Curl wanted Croyle, Carl kept saying he wanted Huard, because he gives us the best chance to win now...

I was sick to my stomach when I watched that....

People can sit and point the finger at Carl, but everybody forgets how conservative Herm is. Herm's #1 rule for QB's is don't turn the ball over. Croyle turned it over in preseason. Herm made comments following Thigpens game that he turned the ball over too many times. Herm was just as responsible as Carl was for all the playing time Huard has received the last two years.

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People can sit and point the finger at Carl, but everybody forgets how conservative Herm is. Herm's #1 rule for QB's is don't turn the ball over. Croyle turned it over in preseason. Herm made comments following Thigpens game that he turned the ball over too many times. Herm was just as responsible as Carl was for all the playing time Huard has received the last two years.

And Huard turns the ball over....

So now we have 3 QB's on this roster that turn the ball over, a HC that hates turnovers and a offensive scheme that limits the ability to score in fear of turning the ball over...

This is for you Herm...

**Rausch** · 10-15-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Well Rausch, we wouldnt be in this situation with our QB's IF we would have started Croyle last year...

Yes, we would.

We'd just be talking about how Croyle riding the bench last year hurt was due to our poo line and then carry that excuse into this year.

And, just wait, most will...

Chiefnj2 · 10-15-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

And Huard turns the ball over....

So now we have 3 QB's on this roster that turn the ball over, a HC that hates turnovers and a offensive scheme that limits the ability to score in fear of turning the ball over...

This is for you Herm...

Huard does turn the ball over now. His first year with Herm I think he had 11 TDs to 1 INT. You can be sure that was in Herm's mind when he made his decisions.

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Huard does turn the ball over now. His first year with Herm I think he had 11 TDs to 1 INT. You can be sure that was in Herm's mind when he made his decisions.

Well we were a playoff team last year...

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Yes, we would.

We'd just be talking about how Croyle riding the bench last year hurt was due to our poo line and then carry that excuse into this year.

And, just wait, most will...

True, But at least we could of drafted a QB...

But we know how this all went down....

Having Herm as your HC is like picking on the reeruned kid that licks the windows... Its just not fair...

**Rausch** · 10-15-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

True, But at least we could of drafted a QB...

But we know how this all went down....

Having Herm as your HC is like picking on the reeruned kid that licks the windows... Its just not fair...

If we were going to hire the wrong guy this was the best wrong guy to hire.

Herm is Rain Man (the movie, not Kevin.)

He can pick all the winners he just doesn't have the first clue what to do with it all once he has it.

And I pray they can him after this year so some legit HC can take what he's assembled and properly utelize it...

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And I pray they can him after this year so some legit HC can take what he's assembled and properly utelize it...

I woud weep like a baby if Carl and Herm are both removed after this clusterchicken of a year...

I wouldnt know how to conduct myself, I wouldnt have anything to bitch about....

**Rausch** · 10-15-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I woud weep like a baby if Carl and Herm are both removed after this clusterchicken of a year...

I wouldnt know how to conduct myself, I wouldnt have anything to bitch about....

Of course you would.

Until there's a Lombardi on my ****ing local newspaper there will be a very pissed off under-height and over-weight kraut screaming drunk at the neighbors on monday AM...

milkman · 10-15-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I woud weep like a baby if Carl and Herm are both removed after this clusterchicken of a year...

I wouldnt know how to conduct myself, I wouldnt have anything to bitch about....

Don't worry.

Clark will hire Marty to GM, and you'll have years of bitching ahead to look forward to.

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Don't worry.

Clark will hire Marty to GM, and you'll have years of bitching ahead to look forward to.

Dear God Please no... KC has suffered enough....

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Don't worry.

Clark will hire Marty to GM, and you'll have years of bitching ahead to look forward to.

If that happened, I would resign from Germ Warfare and start up Martha Warfare from day one....

I would continue the good fight to rid ourselves of mediocrity...

10-14-2008, 11:00 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $840478	WHITLOCK - Herm is innocent, Carl is evil http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/841754.html In the minutes after the Chiefs failed to unload unhappy tight end Tony Gonzalez, Herm Edwards sent a clear, concise, fair and accurate message Tuesday afternoon: The aborted fire sale and current mess at Arrowhead Stadium are not his creation or a reflection of his coaching methods. When asked by radio reporter Rhonda Moss what Gonzalez’s trade request said about Carl Peterson, the Chiefs organization and its current head coach, Edwards — perhaps unintentionally — summarized his position on the whole affair. “It doesn’t say anything about me,” Edwards responded. “It doesn’t say one thing about me. It has nothing to do with me. You need to ask the player that. That’s not for me to answer. I’m not going to answer for a football player. I don’t have to do that. I answer for the decisions that I make, what comes out of my mouth.” Edwards couldn’t have been more transparent. Kansas City’s inability to retrieve reasonable compensation for Gonzalez is not Herm’s fault. Larry Johnson’s third assault case and possible suspension (by the league or the Chiefs) are not Herm’s fault. The lack of league-wide interest in the services of Damon Huard, Patrick Surtain and Donnie Edwards is not Herm’s fault. You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons, but it is unfair to make him culpable for the sad reality that things are likely to get worse before they get significantly better for the Chiefs. Carl Peterson is responsible for that. Much will be made of Herm’s apparently smug and dismissive tone at Tuesday’s news conference. He said he hadn’t spoken to Gonzalez about the situation and probably wouldn’t. Edwards said he hadn’t spoken to Larry Johnson about his latest off-field mishap. With his team sitting at 1-4 and reeling from an embarrassing loss at Carolina, Edwards is focused on controlling what he can control and leaving the rest in God’s hands or the people responsible for the problem. It’s a prudent approach, if you believe the truth will set you free. It’s no secret that the Chiefs are an organization burning in flames, and Edwards seems to be getting more and more comfortable letting everyone see the gas, matches and electric fans sitting on Carl Peterson’s desk. Let’s look at this objectively, shall we? Peterson has run this ballclub like a private fraternity. His special pledges — Gonzalez, Johnson, Priest Holmes and, to a lesser degree, Donnie Edwards — have been rewarded with contracts that haven’t necessarily been in the best interest of the football team. •Peterson misread Gonzalez’s ability to deal with a rebuilding process. •Peterson misread Johnson’s ability to handle success, money, leadership and a 400-carry season. •Peterson misread Holmes’ desire to continue playing football after recovering from a hip injury by any means necessary. •Peterson misread Donnie Edwards’ ability to remain healthy after more than a decade of being injury free. •And most damaging, Peterson miscalculated by a year the right time to blow up the roster and usher in a youth movement. All of that misreading, miscalculating and special friendship with players who have never won the Chiefs a single playoff game created the chaos that has turned the franchise into a laughingstock. Look, if the Patriots give Tom Brady and Tedy Bruschi one contract extension too many, I’ll understand it and totally forgive Bill Belichick. If the Colts let Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison overstay their usefulness, it’s defensible. Those players won championships for their franchises. But the NFL is the league that dumps Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, runs Brett Favre to New York and lets Joe Namath hobble around Los Angeles and O.J. Simpson limp across San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge. Meanwhile, Carl Peterson tosses golden parachutes to his favorite draft picks and free-agent signings over drinks at the Capital Grille. It’s unprofessional. It’s irresponsible. It’s a good-old-boy network in a league that requires a ruthless disloyalty when it comes to money. You know what used to irritate Marty Schottenheimer? Every time he tried to take a hard-line disciplinary stance with Derrick Thomas, the Golden Child would run to his adopted father (Peterson) for protection. Gonzalez has spent the last two weeks upset that he didn’t get to break the tight-end record at home against the Broncos. He had his family in town. The Chiefs were going to stop the game and have a quick ceremony. Who do you think planned the on-field party, Herm or Carl? Who do you think raised Tony’s expectations for a hey-look-at-me moment and set up potential conflict between star player and head coach, Herm or Carl? The way the club is currently managed, a coaching staff filled with Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh, Don Shula and Hank Stram couldn’t lead the Chiefs to .500.
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10-15-2008, 09:55 AM	#92
chiefsngop Starter Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	As for the article, another nail in Herm Edwards casket for me. "It has nothing to do with me" - Herm Edwards Bullsht Herm, EVERYTHING that happens on this team "has to do with you". Your the fucking head coach, you saw the situation when you started here, it's your job to manipulate it and fix it and win ... period. You took the job knowing you'd be working under Carl Peterson and Hunt, you saw the roster and the situation before signing up. None of this should be a surprise to you, and none of it is an acceptable excuse. So take some god dmned accountability and win. __________________ We'll be fine. At least Carl Peterson's 5 year plan is finally completed.
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