Tony G speaks to the media

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Micjones

It is indeed.
Good thing for both of us... I happened to go back and re-read your post.

Yep, those three sacks would be making all the difference right now.

Actually, those two sacks, unless we could have arranged for Cutler to run out of the back of the endzone...

If people can't see that he was just playing for a payday now...

Playing next to two of the best DT's in the league, and the best you can do for $70M is 3 goddamn sacks? And you didn't even have to touch the QB on one of them?

Carl's done a TON of stupid shit, but managing to get 3 draft picks, including a mid-first for an alcoholic with 2 strikes against him isn't on the list.


Where you said nothing about how having him here benefits Hali, our run support, or ability to pressure the QB.

Good job.

Are any of those things, added to a half-assed effort, worth $70M?

Didn't think so.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are any of those things, added to a half-assed effort, worth $70M?

Didn't think so.

If you want to argue that he half-assed we can do so.
Don't pretend that I didn't read your post though. I did.
And you diminished Allen's value to this team.
We can argue whether or not it was the right decision all day, but let's not pretend that we wouldn't be in a MUCH better place if he were still here.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Micjones

If you want to argue that he half-assed we can do so.
Don't pretend that I didn't read your post though. I did.
And you diminished Allen's value to this team.
We can argue whether or not it was the right decision all day, but let's not pretend that we wouldn't be in a MUCH better place if he were still here.

No, we wouldn't.

Unless you live in a fantasy world where DE's are more important than LT's.

And how am I diminishing his value?

He's doing that all on his own in Minnesota.

His play, with 10X the supporting cast, isn't worth HALF of what he was paid.

What makes you think he would be producing here, with a much less talented supporting cast?

Wishful thinking.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, we wouldn't.

Unless you live in a fantasy world where DE's are more important than LT's.

I value an elite DE right behind a franchise QB and LT.
And I think we know now that Herb Taylor would've been a suitable successor for McIntosh.
Besides... It's not like there were no other Left Tackles drafted after the First Round.

What makes you think he would be producing here, with a much less talented supporting cast?

I'm guessing the 15.5 sacks that he amassed with a less talented supporting cast last year?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I value an elite DE right behind a franchise QB and LT.
And I think we know now that Herb Taylor would've been a suitable successor for McIntosh.
Besides... It's not like there were no other Left Tackles drafted after the First Round.



I'm guessing the 15.5 sacks that he amassed with a less talented supporting cast last year?

Oh, that's right. LAST year.

BEFORE he got PAID.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, that's right. LAST year.

BEFORE he got PAID.

You're right.
I made the mistake of thinking he had produced BEFORE last year.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Micjones

You're right.
I made the mistake of thinking he had produced BEFORE last year.

Does he get a special award for last year? The year before?

He got paid, and now his production has fallen off, though his surroundings suggest his production should be increasing.

Sounds like a guy I'd like to give $70M

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, that's right. LAST year.

BEFORE he got PAID.

He hasn't gotten paid yet. The Vikings built in safeguards should strike 3 occur. He only received about 15 mil guaranteed at the start. KC could have easily fit him into the cap.

They didn't and now they will have to burn an early draft pick to replace him.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He hasn't gotten paid yet. The Vikings built in safeguards should strike 3 occur. He only received about 15 mil guaranteed at the start. KC could have easily fit him into the cap.

They didn't and now they will have to burn an early draft pick to replace him.

Or, they could do the smart thing, and use picks to improve that HORRIBLE offensive line we have.

Why is replacing Jared Allen a goddamn necessity when this team has holes EVERYWHERE?

[Buzzsaw]

I'm not a KC fan but as an NFL fan I think it's a bummer that Peterson didn't make the trade happen. Would've been cool for TG to get a chance to go to the playoffs with a different team this year. Plus, there's already some good young talent on the Chiefs, a 3rd could've netted another future starter a key position such as OL.

Edited: Poster above me made the same point about o-line with that pick, good call.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He hasn't gotten paid yet. The Vikings built in safeguards should strike 3 occur. He only received about 15 mil guaranteed at the start. KC could have easily fit him into the cap.

They didn't and now they will have to burn an early draft pick to replace him.

Do those safeguards protect the Vikings from him underperforming?

Didn't think so.

If he stays clean he's going to be paid better than anyone at his position, even when he turns in a 7-8 sack season.

That's only $8.75 - $10M per sack...

What a bargain.