Chiefs Whitlock brings the ****ing axe down. - Page 2

Hammock Parties · 10-19-2008, 10:52 PM

You go, BigSexy.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/848654.html

Now what?

The Chiefs lost their fragile and fraudulent quarterback of the future, exposing the irresponsibility of opening the season with a quarterback depth chart Rockhurst High’s Tony Severino would find objectionable.

Now what?

Today, the Chiefs welcome back to their starting lineup the unrepentant malcontent/running back who surely spent Sunday afternoon palling around with friends, laughing at the offense missing Larry Johnson that couldn’t move the chains or threaten the Titans when the outcome was in doubt.

Now what? Where do the Chiefs go from here? How do they define themselves and move forward after Tennessee blanked them for three quarters, embarrassed them for four and routed them 34-10 at Arrowhead Stadium?

There were no answers inside Kansas City’s locker room. There were plenty of stunned, silent looks and quick exits. You can’t blame them. There were few relevant, probing questions to be asked.

All the answers had been provided during three hours on the field.

Coming off a bye week filled with drama, acrimony, Brodie Croyle-inspired optimism and a get-tough deactivation of Johnson, Herm Edwards and his coaching staff bombed in a way that makes their employment here next season indefensible.

By declining to draft or acquire a quarterback to compete against Brittle Croyle and elevating clock-management specialist Dick “Father Time” Curl to oversee the most important position on any football team, Edwards tethered himself to Croyle.

When Croyle limped off the field with a season-(career)-ending knee injury early in the second quarter, Herm might as well have grabbed a pair of crutches and retired to the locker room with his Arena League QB of the future.

It’s over — the Croyle experiment, the Herm-driven rebuilding process and the Peterson-approved redistribution of Hunt family wealth. All good and bad things end, and the Titans literally ran over (332 yards on the ground) the remains of the Peterson era.

What we’ve witnessed this season in general — and the last two weeks in particular — is unacceptable and unprofessional. In its five losses, Kansas City’s opponents outscored Herm’s boys 147-42. The Chiefs’ lone victory — a 33-19 romp over the Broncos — was such an obvious fluke that it revealed nothing about the rebuilding effort.

The Chiefs are a joke right now. They have as little credibility as the Royals. The ownership is timid at a time when boldness is required. This is not a call to fire Peterson or Edwards today. It’s a call that Clark Hunt acknowledge that no progress is being made.

After Sunday’s performance, I’ll vouch for the professionalism and skill of one player on the roster. Tony Gonzalez is a winning player. Every other player is a mystery.

Kansas City’s offensive line is so inept that it is difficult for me to discern whether Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is effective. I know that Rudy Niswanger, Adrian Jones and Damion McIntosh are not players a team can win consistently with in the starting lineup.

Also, I know that first-round pick Glenn Dorsey has been a bust through six games. I’ve watched film, and his footwork is horrid. He catches on run plays and tries to win a bench-press contest. An NFL lineman wins or loses the battle with his first step. Dorsey’s first step is slow and often misdirected. He hasn’t mastered the explosive, violent, 6-inch control step. I’ve seen Dorsey drop his foot back. I’ve seen him step the wrong direction.

On Sunday, the Titans had their way with Dorsey. On a key third-and-short play early in the contest, a Titans guard destroyed Dorsey at the point of attack, and a Tennessee running back ran right through where Dorsey was before he was removed the way a bouncer ushers a drunken customer out of Mosaic.

And someone sound an Amber Alert for 2006 first-round pick Tamba Hali, Kansas City’s sackless pass-rush specialist. If Hali has a bad knee, sit him down and un-Velcro him from opposing offensive tackles.

Herm’s youth movement is starting to resemble the last 15 years of “Saturday Night Live.” He keeps adding expensive cast members who can’t recapture the magic of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

Short of a Sarah Palin/Tina Fey falling in Herm’s lap, the Chiefs seem unsalvageable.

Next season, the Chiefs will draft and/or acquire three quarterbacks. They’ll start from scratch. Would any sane man, woman or child allow Edwards, Father Time and The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl to select KC’s next three quarterbacks?

Herm’s claim to quarterback fame is that he fell in love with Bill Parcells’ weak-armed thrower, Chad Pennington. Curl’s claim to QB fame is far more impressive. Father Time guided an NFL Europe offense that featured future NFL journeyman Jon Kitna. Curl also was QB coach/offensive coordinator of some unforgettable-but-totally-forgotten 1980s offenses at Virginia, Rutgers and Boston College. As you can see, Curl’s QB resume is as decorated as Bill Walsh’s.

But it is not quite as sparkling as Carl Peterson’s. There is not enough room to list all of the gifted quarterbacks Peterson has identified. Let’s just say it would be negligent not to mention Mike Elkins, Matt “Draft Blunder” Blundin, Pat Barnes and Elvis Grbac.

Given the collective QB brain power at Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs fans have every reason to feel confident that when Edwards, Curl, Peterson and Bill Kuharich heave a dart at a board, it is very likely to land on the NFL’s next great QB.

Now what? I suggest you spend the rest of the season fantasizing about Clark Hunt taking the obvious necessary steps to improve his football franchise.

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-20-2008, 12:11 AM

Man Whitlock is really being extreme with Dorsey, the guy is double teamed on almost every play, the LBs aren't playing the gaps

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-20-2008, 01:08 AM

Yay!

Too bad no one at Arrowhead One Drive is listening.

And Clark Hunt is a ****ing pussy who won't change a thing.

**** you, Clark.

Mecca · 10-20-2008, 01:15 AM

I still think the Chiefs Dline is very poorly coached, and some guys aren't in the right spots..But when you're last in the league against the run have given up 2 300 yard rushing games no one in the front 7 can be defended as being good.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-20-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still think the Chiefs Dline is very poorly coached, and some guys aren't in the right spots..But when you're last in the league against the run have given up 2 300 yard rushing games no one in the front 7 can be defended as being good.

This team sucks.

From ownership down to the towel boy.

Anyone that defends any aspect of this so-called "organization" is a dumb****.

As long as the Hunts own the Chiefs, they'll continue to suck.

Period.

Mecca · 10-20-2008, 01:25 AM

I don't think Clark will care till he isn't making money.

Swazey · 10-20-2008, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This team sucks.

From ownership down to the towel boy.

Anyone that defends any aspect of this so-called "organization" is a dumb****.

As long as the Hunts own the Chiefs, they'll continue to suck.

Period.

This should be considered... Anyone know Clark's email???

KCJohnny · 10-20-2008, 02:24 AM

Ah. It has come to this.

Where are all the brave souls who cried for ripping it out by the roots? Starting from scratch? Total ground-to-roof rebuild? Now that we're in the throes of total humiliation, have you lost the stomach for what you most desired?

Herm didn't let Jared Allen go or invest heavily in LJ. Herm didn't injure Brodie. There is plenty of blame to go around, and Herm deserves a lot. But we all knew before the first preseason game that we'd be lucky to win 5 games. That wasn't what this season was about. It was a 16 game preseason try-out for the 2009-2010 Chiefs.

The team will have to acquire a QB. Not just any QB, but a can't-miss-franchise QB that will play in KC for a decade. Whitlock makes a strong argument against doing that with the current braintrust at One Arrowhead Drive. But wasn't Jason (and 99% of us) waxing confident about what a great pick Dorsey was? And I was flamed earlier in the season for daring to say Darren McFadden > Dorsey. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

There's no way Mr. Hunt keeps Carl. There's no way you fire Herm after investing so much in his vision and plan. So, regardless of deeply felt indignation, Herm will finish his contract, Carl will choose the QBotF (unless he resigns) and our best hope is that Dick Curl fades out and a real QB coach is acquired to groom _____________________ our 2009 #1 pick (unless the Brady Quinn prospects improve).

Right now, someone needs to call 911 for this pathetic _efense. Two games giving up over 300 yards rushing (and both at home) means this team has nothing, nada, nein to build around when the other team has the ball.

Good to see Dantrell Savage back!

KCJ

Otter · 10-20-2008, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still think the Chiefs Dline is very poorly coached, and some guys aren't in the right spots..But when you're last in the league against the run have given up 2 300 yard rushing games no one in the front 7 can be defended as being good.

Wow, you finally picked up on that pattern over the last...what is it, 7 years now?

These ****tards could have drafted Neil Smith, Bruce Smith, Warren Sapp and Mean Joe Green in the same class and all four would be packing groceries a year later.

Under this staff we could have a potential pro bowler at each spot and they would still be luck to go .500.

THERE IS NO ONE ON THE CHIEFS WHO KNOWS HOW TO DEVELOP TALENT OUTSIDE THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

**007** · 10-20-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Wow, you finally picked up on that pattern over the last...what is it, 7 years now?

These ****tards could have drafted Neil Smith, Bruce Smith, Warren Sapp and Mean Joe Green in the same class and all four would be packing groceries a year later.

Under this staff we could have a potential pro bowler at each spot and they would still be luck to go .500.

THERE IS NO ONE ON THE CHIEFS WHO KNOWS HOW TO DEVELOP TALENT OUTSIDE THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

So you are saying the O-line has talent?

Hootie · 10-20-2008, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

So you are saying the O-line has talent?

we have a former TE playing LG, a former LG playing LT, a 6'10" guy playing C, a guy named Adrian Jones I've never heard of, and a former 9th string LT playing RT.

King_Chief_Fan · 10-20-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I've had a change of heart. If you had paid attention to anything I've posted or written since the Carolina game you'd realize that.

We also noticed you only do that on Chiefsplanet. I don't see you speaking up on WPI. You know your rump would be canned.

ChiefsFanatic · 10-20-2008, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

THERE IS NO ONE ON THE CHIEFS WHO KNOWS HOW TO DEVELOP TALENT OUTSIDE THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

Wrong. We promoted him to offensive coordinator, and then Herm threw him under the bus. So, NO, nobody on this team knows how to develop talent on the offensive line.

Deberg_1990 · 10-20-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Man Whitlock is really being extreme with Dorsey, the guy is double teamed on almost every play, the LBs aren't playing the gaps

When your a top 5 pick, your expected to have an IMMEDIATE IMPACT.

Hes been disappointing so far.

I might be wrong, but none of the players picked 5 or 6 spots after him are having too much of an immediate impact?

Dorsey was the correct pick in that spot, but man, it sure sucks knowing we didnt have the SACK to try and trade up to snag Ryan. Story of this franchise and Peterson. No balls. Always play everything safe. Always stay mediocre.

Duck Dog · 10-20-2008, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The team will have to acquire a QB. Not just any QB, but a can't-miss-franchise QB that will play in KC for a decade.

Geez, really? Isn't that the point? These assclowns can't be trusted to find that guy. They have failed and should be fired.

TN_Chief · 10-20-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Dog

Geez, really? Isn't that the point? These assclowns can't be trusted to find that guy. They have failed and should be fired.

It's not just a question of them not being able to find the right QB...even if they somehow defied all expectations and did pick the right one they'd unquestionably **** it up by coaching him poorly and getting him killed behind a poor O line.

10-19-2008, 10:52 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $740478	Whitlock brings the ing axe down. You go, BigSexy. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/848654.html Now what? The Chiefs lost their fragile and fraudulent quarterback of the future, exposing the irresponsibility of opening the season with a quarterback depth chart Rockhurst High’s Tony Severino would find objectionable. Now what? Today, the Chiefs welcome back to their starting lineup the unrepentant malcontent/running back who surely spent Sunday afternoon palling around with friends, laughing at the offense missing Larry Johnson that couldn’t move the chains or threaten the Titans when the outcome was in doubt. Now what? Where do the Chiefs go from here? How do they define themselves and move forward after Tennessee blanked them for three quarters, embarrassed them for four and routed them 34-10 at Arrowhead Stadium? There were no answers inside Kansas City’s locker room. There were plenty of stunned, silent looks and quick exits. You can’t blame them. There were few relevant, probing questions to be asked. All the answers had been provided during three hours on the field. Coming off a bye week filled with drama, acrimony, Brodie Croyle-inspired optimism and a get-tough deactivation of Johnson, Herm Edwards and his coaching staff bombed in a way that makes their employment here next season indefensible. By declining to draft or acquire a quarterback to compete against Brittle Croyle and elevating clock-management specialist Dick “Father Time” Curl to oversee the most important position on any football team, Edwards tethered himself to Croyle. When Croyle limped off the field with a season-(career)-ending knee injury early in the second quarter, Herm might as well have grabbed a pair of crutches and retired to the locker room with his Arena League QB of the future. It’s over — the Croyle experiment, the Herm-driven rebuilding process and the Peterson-approved redistribution of Hunt family wealth. All good and bad things end, and the Titans literally ran over (332 yards on the ground) the remains of the Peterson era. What we’ve witnessed this season in general — and the last two weeks in particular — is unacceptable and unprofessional. In its five losses, Kansas City’s opponents outscored Herm’s boys 147-42. The Chiefs’ lone victory — a 33-19 romp over the Broncos — was such an obvious fluke that it revealed nothing about the rebuilding effort. The Chiefs are a joke right now. They have as little credibility as the Royals. The ownership is timid at a time when boldness is required. This is not a call to fire Peterson or Edwards today. It’s a call that Clark Hunt acknowledge that no progress is being made. After Sunday’s performance, I’ll vouch for the professionalism and skill of one player on the roster. Tony Gonzalez is a winning player. Every other player is a mystery. Kansas City’s offensive line is so inept that it is difficult for me to discern whether Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is effective. I know that Rudy Niswanger, Adrian Jones and Damion McIntosh are not players a team can win consistently with in the starting lineup. Also, I know that first-round pick Glenn Dorsey has been a bust through six games. I’ve watched film, and his footwork is horrid. He catches on run plays and tries to win a bench-press contest. An NFL lineman wins or loses the battle with his first step. Dorsey’s first step is slow and often misdirected. He hasn’t mastered the explosive, violent, 6-inch control step. I’ve seen Dorsey drop his foot back. I’ve seen him step the wrong direction. On Sunday, the Titans had their way with Dorsey. On a key third-and-short play early in the contest, a Titans guard destroyed Dorsey at the point of attack, and a Tennessee running back ran right through where Dorsey was before he was removed the way a bouncer ushers a drunken customer out of Mosaic. And someone sound an Amber Alert for 2006 first-round pick Tamba Hali, Kansas City’s sackless pass-rush specialist. If Hali has a bad knee, sit him down and un-Velcro him from opposing offensive tackles. Herm’s youth movement is starting to resemble the last 15 years of “Saturday Night Live.” He keeps adding expensive cast members who can’t recapture the magic of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty and Dale Carter. Short of a Sarah Palin/Tina Fey falling in Herm’s lap, the Chiefs seem unsalvageable. Next season, the Chiefs will draft and/or acquire three quarterbacks. They’ll start from scratch. Would any sane man, woman or child allow Edwards, Father Time and The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl to select KC’s next three quarterbacks? Herm’s claim to quarterback fame is that he fell in love with Bill Parcells’ weak-armed thrower, Chad Pennington. Curl’s claim to QB fame is far more impressive. Father Time guided an NFL Europe offense that featured future NFL journeyman Jon Kitna. Curl also was QB coach/offensive coordinator of some unforgettable-but-totally-forgotten 1980s offenses at Virginia, Rutgers and Boston College. As you can see, Curl’s QB resume is as decorated as Bill Walsh’s. But it is not quite as sparkling as Carl Peterson’s. There is not enough room to list all of the gifted quarterbacks Peterson has identified. Let’s just say it would be negligent not to mention Mike Elkins, Matt “Draft Blunder” Blundin, Pat Barnes and Elvis Grbac. Given the collective QB brain power at Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs fans have every reason to feel confident that when Edwards, Curl, Peterson and Bill Kuharich heave a dart at a board, it is very likely to land on the NFL’s next great QB. Now what? I suggest you spend the rest of the season fantasizing about Clark Hunt taking the obvious necessary steps to improve his football franchise.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	I still think the Chiefs Dline is very poorly coached, and some guys aren't in the right spots..But when you're last in the league against the run have given up 2 300 yard rushing games no one in the front 7 can be defended as being good.
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10-20-2008, 02:24 AM	#22
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Ah. It has come to this. Where are all the brave souls who cried for ripping it out by the roots? Starting from scratch? Total ground-to-roof rebuild? Now that we're in the throes of total humiliation, have you lost the stomach for what you most desired? Herm didn't let Jared Allen go or invest heavily in LJ. Herm didn't injure Brodie. There is plenty of blame to go around, and Herm deserves a lot. But we all knew before the first preseason game that we'd be lucky to win 5 games. That wasn't what this season was about. It was a 16 game preseason try-out for the 2009-2010 Chiefs. The team will have to acquire a QB. Not just any QB, but a can't-miss-franchise QB that will play in KC for a decade. Whitlock makes a strong argument against doing that with the current braintrust at One Arrowhead Drive. But wasn't Jason (and 99% of us) waxing confident about what a great pick Dorsey was? And I was flamed earlier in the season for daring to say Darren McFadden > Dorsey. Tsk, tsk, tsk... There's no way Mr. Hunt keeps Carl. There's no way you fire Herm after investing so much in his vision and plan. So, regardless of deeply felt indignation, Herm will finish his contract, Carl will choose the QBotF (unless he resigns) and our best hope is that Dick Curl fades out and a real QB coach is acquired to groom _____________________ our 2009 #1 pick (unless the Brady Quinn prospects improve). Right now, someone needs to call 911 for this pathetic _efense. Two games giving up over 300 yards rushing (and both at home) means this team has nothing, nada, nein to build around when the other team has the ball. Good to see Dantrell Savage back! KCJ __________________
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