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Old 10-19-2008, 10:52 PM  
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Now what?

The Chiefs lost their fragile and fraudulent quarterback of the future, exposing the irresponsibility of opening the season with a quarterback depth chart Rockhurst High’s Tony Severino would find objectionable.

Now what?

Today, the Chiefs welcome back to their starting lineup the unrepentant malcontent/running back who surely spent Sunday afternoon palling around with friends, laughing at the offense missing Larry Johnson that couldn’t move the chains or threaten the Titans when the outcome was in doubt.

Now what? Where do the Chiefs go from here? How do they define themselves and move forward after Tennessee blanked them for three quarters, embarrassed them for four and routed them 34-10 at Arrowhead Stadium?

There were no answers inside Kansas City’s locker room. There were plenty of stunned, silent looks and quick exits. You can’t blame them. There were few relevant, probing questions to be asked.

All the answers had been provided during three hours on the field.

Coming off a bye week filled with drama, acrimony, Brodie Croyle-inspired optimism and a get-tough deactivation of Johnson, Herm Edwards and his coaching staff bombed in a way that makes their employment here next season indefensible.

By declining to draft or acquire a quarterback to compete against Brittle Croyle and elevating clock-management specialist Dick “Father Time” Curl to oversee the most important position on any football team, Edwards tethered himself to Croyle.

When Croyle limped off the field with a season-(career)-ending knee injury early in the second quarter, Herm might as well have grabbed a pair of crutches and retired to the locker room with his Arena League QB of the future.

It’s over — the Croyle experiment, the Herm-driven rebuilding process and the Peterson-approved redistribution of Hunt family wealth. All good and bad things end, and the Titans literally ran over (332 yards on the ground) the remains of the Peterson era.

What we’ve witnessed this season in general — and the last two weeks in particular — is unacceptable and unprofessional. In its five losses, Kansas City’s opponents outscored Herm’s boys 147-42. The Chiefs’ lone victory — a 33-19 romp over the Broncos — was such an obvious fluke that it revealed nothing about the rebuilding effort.

The Chiefs are a joke right now. They have as little credibility as the Royals. The ownership is timid at a time when boldness is required. This is not a call to fire Peterson or Edwards today. It’s a call that Clark Hunt acknowledge that no progress is being made.

After Sunday’s performance, I’ll vouch for the professionalism and skill of one player on the roster. Tony Gonzalez is a winning player. Every other player is a mystery.

Kansas City’s offensive line is so inept that it is difficult for me to discern whether Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is effective. I know that Rudy Niswanger, Adrian Jones and Damion McIntosh are not players a team can win consistently with in the starting lineup.

Also, I know that first-round pick Glenn Dorsey has been a bust through six games. I’ve watched film, and his footwork is horrid. He catches on run plays and tries to win a bench-press contest. An NFL lineman wins or loses the battle with his first step. Dorsey’s first step is slow and often misdirected. He hasn’t mastered the explosive, violent, 6-inch control step. I’ve seen Dorsey drop his foot back. I’ve seen him step the wrong direction.

On Sunday, the Titans had their way with Dorsey. On a key third-and-short play early in the contest, a Titans guard destroyed Dorsey at the point of attack, and a Tennessee running back ran right through where Dorsey was before he was removed the way a bouncer ushers a drunken customer out of Mosaic.

And someone sound an Amber Alert for 2006 first-round pick Tamba Hali, Kansas City’s sackless pass-rush specialist. If Hali has a bad knee, sit him down and un-Velcro him from opposing offensive tackles.

Herm’s youth movement is starting to resemble the last 15 years of “Saturday Night Live.” He keeps adding expensive cast members who can’t recapture the magic of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

Short of a Sarah Palin/Tina Fey falling in Herm’s lap, the Chiefs seem unsalvageable.

Next season, the Chiefs will draft and/or acquire three quarterbacks. They’ll start from scratch. Would any sane man, woman or child allow Edwards, Father Time and The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl to select KC’s next three quarterbacks?


Herm’s claim to quarterback fame is that he fell in love with Bill Parcells’ weak-armed thrower, Chad Pennington. Curl’s claim to QB fame is far more impressive. Father Time guided an NFL Europe offense that featured future NFL journeyman Jon Kitna. Curl also was QB coach/offensive coordinator of some unforgettable-but-totally-forgotten 1980s offenses at Virginia, Rutgers and Boston College. As you can see, Curl’s QB resume is as decorated as Bill Walsh’s.

But it is not quite as sparkling as Carl Peterson’s. There is not enough room to list all of the gifted quarterbacks Peterson has identified. Let’s just say it would be negligent not to mention Mike Elkins, Matt “Draft Blunder” Blundin, Pat Barnes and Elvis Grbac.

Given the collective QB brain power at Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs fans have every reason to feel confident that when Edwards, Curl, Peterson and Bill Kuharich heave a dart at a board, it is very likely to land on the NFL’s next great QB.

Now what? I suggest you spend the rest of the season fantasizing about Clark Hunt taking the obvious necessary steps to improve his football franchise.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:13 AM   #46
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All the above is true ... We suck at the Oline-Lbakers-Safty-Coaching-Drafting ... Thats a lot too heal .. Hunt has to change the direction of this ship or his team will sink to the bottom and stay there ...
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:17 AM   #47
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Well he also banked on Huard and Thigpen..

How can one want to rebuild a team when you ignore your two most important positions...

QB and LT, We have lost our Brokie permantely..
I think Huard wasn't his decision. He was given a pretty decent contract to be the back up. I guess Herm didn't anticipate that Brokie would be broken all the time. He knows now (maybe) that he needs two if not three new QB's.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:33 AM   #48
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Its these types of diasaterous decsions that cause management and coaches to lose their jobs in other cities.

This shouldnt even be a debate anymore. Clark has ZERO sack. To come out last week and insult the fans by saying Carl and Herm are doing a good job was just wrong.
Job security with the Chiefs is unparalleled. Nowhere else in the world can one be so disasterously awefull and still rest assured they have a job in the morning, next week, hell even a year later. I know less about running a pro football organization than just about anyone alive over the age of twelve. I admit that. And I'm certainly no coach... maybe I could get a job working for the Chiefs. Rack up a few cool million over a decade or so and retire before I'm thirty-five. I certainly don't think I'd be any worse than the powers that be currently. And even if I were... what's the difference?! It's impossible to be fired if you work for this organization. Where do I submit my resume?
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:01 AM   #49
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Hopefully, this latest blowout will make Herm defenders an endangered species. Anyone who follows the NFL knows what we are witnessing now is not the standard rebuilding through the draft model.

Looking at the stats, not just W-L, but dig deeper, and you will find that the 2007 Chiefs are one of the worst teams in the last ten years. For instance, based on power rankings, we are the worst team since the 2004 SF 49ers, coached by Dennis Erickson. Question: did Dennis Erickson ever get it turned around, and win a SB? **** no. Make the playoffs? Can't remember, but don't think so. Only with bad NFL coaches like Erickson and Herm Edwards can your team be so completely inept. Go back further, and find similarly bad teams (not record-wise, but utterly being dominated teams), and you simply won't find coaches who turned it around. They were fired, and their NFL careers were over.

I just don't think some of you guys on here realize how bad we are. Herm Edwards is not just a bad coach, he is a stunningly bad coach.

[Edit: and just to preempt against the inevitable 1989 Cowboys comparison -- look at the raw stats -- they were nowhere near as bad as this.]

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Old 10-20-2008, 10:52 AM   #50
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Wrong. We promoted him to offensive coordinator, and then Herm threw him under the bus. So, NO, nobody on this team knows how to develop talent on the offensive line.
Oh yeah, forgot about that.

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Actually if you remember, Neil Smith was considered a bust till Marty and his staff came in and coached him to the level he finally became.
I may be missing a point here but Marty is long gone.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:24 AM   #51
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Actually if you remember, Neil Smith was considered a bust till Marty and his staff came in and coached him to the level he finally became.
That's nonsense.

He was taken third overall in 1988 and missed several games due to a very severe infection (urinary tract, IIRC).
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:38 AM   #52
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:12 PM   #53
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Hopefully, this latest blowout will make Herm defenders an endangered species.
Yeah, because so many people have been defending him before now.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.

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I may be missing a point here but Marty is long gone.
The point was, he was talented but the 1st coaching staff sucked and couldn't develop him so he didn't show any till Marty came in. It's basically trying to draw a parallel saying maybe these guys are the same, talented but the coaching staff is holding them back.

I think it's telling that you rarely see a 2nd move from any of our lineman. If the Olineman stones their first move they're done.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:36 PM   #55
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Yeah, because so many people have been defending him before now.
It's a dwindling number, for sure. Is Zouk still defending Herm?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:38 PM   #56
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It's a dwindling number, for sure. Is Zouk still defending Herm?
Zouk and Boris are huddling up for one final Herm defensive stand.
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Zouk and Boris are huddling up for one final Herm defensive stand.
That Chiefzilla guy was defending Herm yesterday.
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That Chiefzilla guy was defending Herm yesterday.
They will start off in a "Vermeil left the cupboard dry" formation for first down, and then switch to a zone "what do you expect when your starting QB gets injured" for second down and then finally get beat deep on "it's all Carl Peterson's fault."
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"Vermeil left the cupboard dry"
That's simply a statement of fact, it doesn't have anything to do with defending herm.
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I don't even think Vermiel should be brought up at this point it's 4 years later now.
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