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Old 10-20-2008, 09:39 PM  
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What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year.

I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:50 PM   #16
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I wanted a pull it from the roots and rebuild.

I still support the rebuild.

I just wish it had happend at least 1 year earlier, and under semi-competent management.

This is a Marx brother's short...that is looped. Its not the funny one and the fan base is in a body cast,forced to watch.

I'm pretty certain Carl is force feeding us water, and herm kinked our collective cathater.

I heard the commentators say that now was a terrible time to take a flame thrower to the organization.

Really? The offensive line needs completed(3.5 spots) there isn't a QB on the team, the RB(that I argued against to ridicule) that CP re-signed is a cancer, the WRs outside of 1 suck balls(maybe the rooks get a pass) the HOF TE wants out, the Dline is out of position, lacks depth and blows...the LBs are in shambles outside of 1. The Secondary is the only position to feel very good about the potential at all, outside of maybe a properly coached Dline.

It seems like the PERFECT time to fire bomb the entire setup....A team cannot get much worse and still be called professional football.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:50 PM   #17
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I can deal with a 0-16 recored next year as long as we have a new GM, HC and staff...

and we see some sort of improvement...

Hell Herms best players was a DV draft choice... Go figure...
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:54 PM   #18
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Hell Herms best players was a DV draft choice... Go figure...
Marty selected Gonzo.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:55 PM   #19
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Well, I don't want to defend them... it's not working right now, but realistically it's not been the same.

Herm took over a team and did help develop some young players.. Abraham, Ellis, Pennington, lots of other guys... and not that he did a Belichick like job, but they had a lot of inexperience and they had 3 playoff births. You could do better, but that's not utter failure either. And obviously Carl turned this franchise in a different direction many ages ago. I think they've both shown the ability to build something playoff worthy, but neither has shown they can finish the job.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:55 PM   #20
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Marty selected Gonzo.


yes, yes, I know that /Inspector Clouso

I was referring to Dustin Colquitt.....
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:59 PM   #21
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Well, I don't want to defend them... it's not working right now, but realistically it's not been the same.

Herm took over a team and did help develop some young players.. Abraham, Ellis, Pennington, lots of other guys... and not that he did a Belichick like job, but they had a lot of inexperience and they had 3 playoff births. You could do better, but that's not utter failure either. And obviously Carl turned this franchise in a different direction many ages ago. I think they've both shown the ability to build something playoff worthy, but neither has shown they can finish the job.
Agree, but the fact that once he rides the coattails of the previous regime, he has yet proven he can build a team worthy of the NFL with his own players....

Christ his last 4 years would get most coaches banned from the NFL period.. 4-12, 9-7 (God's biggest miracle in the history of time, PLAYOFFS), 4-12 and who knows what this year is.. 3-13?

How can anyone survive that kind of stretch while showing zero adjustments or taking zero responsibility?
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:05 PM   #22
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I'd say the defense regressing would be a major reason. Even the most optimistic fan knew the offense would be average at best, but our D is a joke.

Last I checked, Herm is supposed to be a defensive coach, oookkkaaayyy. This defense is like going to the prom. You're excited about the prom, show up to the prom, but there's no date at the prom. You find out later she's got her legs up in the air in the back of a Chevy, and all the while you're at the prom.

This is my thought as well. But I would like to add there are 3 starters on D. who are rookies. Dorsey and the 2 corners Carr and Flowers. IMHO the Corners haven't really been tested. Teams aren't throwing at them because why pass when you can run for chunks. The defense is just flat out horrible. So either the players we have suck ass which doesn't bode well for rebuilding. Or the coaching sucks which doesn't bode well for rebuilding.
Now I believe good coaching will make players play their best.
The majority of the defensive players have at least one year of experience. They should be playing better. But they continue to regress.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:06 PM   #23
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I'm for rebuilding, but...

When a team comes out and plays competitive with the Patriots then chokes against Oakland...

When, at 1-5 and seeing little to no improvement with the young players...

When young players who have been here 2-3 years, had better years as rookies than they seem to be having now...

When a number of solid veterans decide to either hang up the cleats or desire to relocate to a different team...

When a HC, in a press conference seems to have no idea what the problem is...

When your team tries to run an option - not once but multiple times with a 5'8" WR/QB in this league...

When you're HC doesn't communicate with his star players...

When you can't even compete with the bad teams in the league...


When all of these things are happening, it's sorta kinda easy to lose faith in the ability of the KC Braintrust to actually develop players to pull off the rebuild.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:07 PM   #24
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It's kind of like being in favor of taking some needed time away from work, Mr. Chiefnj2.

It's a good idea, but shooting yourself in the face with a 12 guage isn't the best possible way to go about it.

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Old 10-20-2008, 10:08 PM   #25
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To rebuild, one does not have to be torn down to the bottom of the NFL. If the team is 32nd, then there is nowhere to go but up, but who cares if they only go up to 30th or 29th?
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:11 PM   #26
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I view complete rebuild and Herm as two different issues and always have.

Rebuild, yes.

Under Herm, no.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:12 PM   #27
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My patience isn't exhausted for the rebuild.

My patience is exhausted for the totally inept coaches.

To be fair though, I never liked any of these morons to begin with, with the exception of Gailey.
To be fair, in order to completely rebuild, you need to start from scratch with a new GM and new HC. You cannot rebuild with a GM and HC, who could easily get fired after the end of this season, and if not, at least by 2009.

I wanted Clark to execute those two jokers at the end of last season, but he failed to do so.
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I'm for rebuilding, but...

When a team comes out and plays competitive with the Patriots then chokes against Oakland...

When, at 1-5 and seeing little to no improvement with the young players...

When young players who have been here 2-3 years, had better years as rookies than they seem to be having now...

When a number of solid veterans decide to either hang up the cleats or desire to relocate to a different team...

When a HC, in a press conference seems to have no idea what the problem is...

When your team tries to run an option - not once but multiple times with a 5'8" WR/QB in this league...

When you're HC doesn't communicate with his star players...

When you can't even compete with the bad teams in the league...


When all of these things are happening, it's sorta kinda easy to lose faith in the ability of the KC Braintrust to actually develop players to pull off the rebuild.
Nice take for a MU Fan! Kidding!
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:14 PM   #29
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Nice take for a MU Fan! Kidding!


HEY!!! I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW....


That as an MU fan, I can spot a non-functional "Rebuild". Afterall, I've been hearing "Rebuild" and waiting since the 70s for it. I thought we were finally close, but after the last 2 weeks, I think its just the best tease so far.



BTW, I noticed the "Edmond" - I was right by there today. Had to go to OKC for some meetings - I was just east of all the TV/Radio towers south of you.
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I wanted a pull it from the roots and rebuild.

I still support the rebuild.

I just wish it had happend at least 1 year earlier, and under semi-competent management.

This is a Marx brother's short...that is looped. Its not the funny one and the fan base is in a body cast,forced to watch.

I'm pretty certain Carl is force feeding us water, and herm kinked our collective cathater.

I heard the commentators say that now was a terrible time to take a flame thrower to the organization.

Really? The offensive line needs completed(3.5 spots) there isn't a QB on the team, the RB(that I argued against to ridicule) that CP re-signed is a cancer, the WRs outside of 1 suck balls(maybe the rooks get a pass) the HOF TE wants out, the Dline is out of position, lacks depth and blows...the LBs are in shambles outside of 1. The Secondary is the only position to feel very good about the potential at all, outside of maybe a properly coached Dline.

It seems like the PERFECT time to fire bomb the entire setup....A team cannot get much worse and still be called professional football.
To be fair, I think the O-Line can be easily fixed with this type of a idea. You move Taylor to center, move Rudy to the RG spot, thus nullifying Jones, who would be a idealistic back-up player, and draft a RT in the 09 Draft. The Chiefs also have Richardson as well, and I think he could be Brian Waters replacement by two or three years.

Now the 09 draft, it would be wise to get a QB. For unexplained reasons, if Stafford isn't there, and the next pick for a QB isn't until mid 1st round, and Oher, who is considered one of the top O-Linemen coming out in the 09 class, is there, do you pull the trigger on this? If so, then who's gonna play LT and RT?

My point being though, you can replace the scrubs (McGinatosh and Jones) with this type of a move, IMHO.
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