Chiefs To those who wanted to rebuild - Page 3

Chiefnj2 · 10-20-2008, 09:39 PM

What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year.

I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?

**Buehler445** · 10-20-2008, 10:22 PM

Can't disagree with any of these points.

The team came out and played against NE, then has regresssed every week, save Shanarat giving them a game.

What we are doing is the opposite of progress.

PastorMikH · 10-20-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Now the 09 draft, it would be wise to get a QB. For unexplained reasons, if Stafford isn't there, and the next pick for a QB isn't until mid 1st round, and Oher, who is considered one of the top O-Linemen coming out in the 09 class, is there, do you pull the trigger on this? If so, then who's gonna play LT and RT?

On important key is AS SOON as FA occurs we should have some competent QB FAs showing up in KC to talk contracts. Face it, every good QB we've ever had came from another team. Odds are that our starting QB problem is more likely to be fixed through Trade/FA than it will be through the draft.

If we can land a couple of QBs through FA, then we don't have to reach for a QB and can take the best player available.

Reerun_KC · 10-20-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

HEY!!! I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW....

That as an MU fan, I can spot a non-functional "Rebuild". Afterall, I've been hearing "Rebuild" and waiting since the 70s for it. I thought we were finally close, but after the last 2 weeks, I think its just the best tease so far.

BTW, I noticed the "Edmond" - I was right by there today. Had to go to OKC for some meetings - I was just east of all the TV/Radio towers south of you.

I live just north of the TV towers by a couple of miles...

I will send you a PM and next time you are in town. Drop me a dime and lets meet up....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:24 PM

If Stafford isn't there....

You draft Oher, slide Albert to LG, Move Waters to RG. You then need a center and a right tackle. Herb Taylor can possibly be an adequate RT. False starts with n00bs just happen. You then need to fill one position on the line.

Now, that's not addressing the potential that Barry Richardson has. If he shows an ability to be a road grader RT or a RG, then you can have Waters play center and the entire line is secure, save Waters, for quite a while.

The team still needs two DE's, a FS, MLB, as well as a QB.

We just need to flush Herm and Carl and this won't look nearly as bad.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

On important key is AS SOON as FA occurs we should have some competent QB FAs showing up in KC to talk contracts. Face it, every good QB we've ever had came from another team. Odds are that our starting QB problem is more likely to be fixed through Trade/FA than it will be through the draft.

If we can land a couple of QBs through FA, then we don't have to reach for a QB and can take the best player available.

I'm sorry, but this is just fundamentally wrong. First of all, there are NO FA QBs worth pursuing.

Secondly, what do you notice about the Patriots, Colts, and Giants? All have home-grown QBs.

What worthwhile QB had the Colts developed in 40 years before Peyton Manning?

The Giants hadn't drafted a worthwhile QB in 25 years before Eli.

The Patriots had Drew Bledsoe and Tom Brady, but missed horribly on a number of other QBs.

Coach · 10-20-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If Stafford isn't there....

You draft Oher, slide Albert to LG, Move Waters to RG. You then need a center and a right tackle. Herb Taylor can possibly be an adequate RT. False starts with n00bs just happen. You then need to fill one position on the line.

Now, that's not addressing the potential that Barry Richardson has. If he shows an ability to be a road grader RT or a RG, then you can have Waters play center and the entire line is secure, save Waters, for quite a while.

The team still needs two DE's, a FS, MLB, as well as a QB.

We just need to flush Herm and Carl and this won't look nearly as bad.

If that was the case, my scenerio would go like this.

Oher - LT
Waters - LG
Taylor - C
Rudy - RG
Albert - RT

Honestly, I don't think Waters have more than 3 years left to play at a very high level.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

If that was the case, my scenerio would go like this.

Oher - LT
Waters - LG
Taylor - C
Rudy - RG
Albert - RT

Honestly, I don't think Waters have more than 3 years left to play at a very high level.

He's not really playing at a very high level now. Do you think that Taylor can play center?

SBK · 10-20-2008, 10:41 PM

The problem with our rebuild right now is the coaches and front office. I like that we've blown the roster up and sought to build it through the draft. I also think we have a lot of good players in place.

Now if we had coaches to make them great players.....

Until we correct the coaching and front office problems, and get a QB we're never doing anything.

Coach · 10-20-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's not really playing at a very high level now. Do you think that Taylor can play center?

Milkman has mentioned it several times, and I have as well. Taylor does have the smarts and he does held on his own very well at the RT spot. However, I don't think he's your prototypical RT. But Taylor uses his leverage pretty well to his advantage.

Isn't that what a center needs to use, leverage?

el borracho · 10-20-2008, 10:42 PM

How can you call it a rebuild when we don't have a legit coaching staff or QB? What are we building around? Bad philosophy and sub-standard players at the most important positions (QB, LT, DE)?

This isn't a rebuild; this is a pack of monkeys and hyenas humping a football.

ChiefsCountry · 10-20-2008, 10:53 PM

Really the blinded emotional hate of Carl and Herm have clouded alot of people's judgement for the real big picture. They are the major part of the problem but that should be taken care of soon, so lets look at the players. So no freaking Carl or Herm talk on the rest of this. Here is the depth chart of players that have shot at being something for the Chiefs:

QB - Croyle (backup QB or 3rd stringer, talent is there for that role)
RB - Charles, Smith, Savage
FB - Cox
WR - Bowe, Franklin, Bradley
TE - Cottam
T - Albert, Richardson, Taylor
G - Waters?
C - Rudy

DE - Hali, McBride, Johnston
DT - Dorsey, Tank
LB - Johnson, Williams, Walden
CB - Flowers, Carr
S - Morgan, Pollard, Page

The major needs are QB, DE, MLB, G, and Second WR. We got alot of the parts in place, there are some players that just need to be fit into there actual roles like Hali/Turk for example. They need to battle each on the LE spot. We are still 2 good drafts away from being really good. I think next year with the right draft and solid FA signings we can be back to the true fan range and then take up a spot after that.

TrickyNicky · 10-20-2008, 10:55 PM

If Stafford isn't there, trade down.

That said, I wouldn't mind taking Stafford with our first, and then seeing who falls into the second round. If Alex Mack or Brandon Spikes make it to us, we should be very happy.

Mecca · 10-20-2008, 11:00 PM

Rudy kind of sucks...

Coach · 10-20-2008, 11:01 PM

I should also point out that Milkman did say that Taylor is more of a cerebral type of guy rather than being purely athletic.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Rudy kind of sucks...

he just sucks

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	To those who wanted to rebuild What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year. I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?
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10-20-2008, 10:22 PM	#31
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1555266	Can't disagree with any of these points. The team came out and played against NE, then has regresssed every week, save Shanarat giving them a game. What we are doing is the opposite of progress.
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10-20-2008, 10:24 PM	#34
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7149572	If Stafford isn't there.... You draft Oher, slide Albert to LG, Move Waters to RG. You then need a center and a right tackle. Herb Taylor can possibly be an adequate RT. False starts with n00bs just happen. You then need to fill one position on the line. Now, that's not addressing the potential that Barry Richardson has. If he shows an ability to be a road grader RT or a RG, then you can have Waters play center and the entire line is secure, save Waters, for quite a while. The team still needs two DE's, a FS, MLB, as well as a QB. We just need to flush Herm and Carl and this won't look nearly as bad. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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10-20-2008, 10:41 PM	#38
SBK Curry is the pick??? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $10004900	The problem with our rebuild right now is the coaches and front office. I like that we've blown the roster up and sought to build it through the draft. I also think we have a lot of good players in place. Now if we had coaches to make them great players..... Until we correct the coaching and front office problems, and get a QB we're never doing anything.
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10-20-2008, 10:42 PM	#40
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2549148	How can you call it a rebuild when we don't have a legit coaching staff or QB? What are we building around? Bad philosophy and sub-standard players at the most important positions (QB, LT, DE)? This isn't a rebuild; this is a pack of monkeys and hyenas humping a football.
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10-20-2008, 10:53 PM	#41
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1551248	Really the blinded emotional hate of Carl and Herm have clouded alot of people's judgement for the real big picture. They are the major part of the problem but that should be taken care of soon, so lets look at the players. So no freaking Carl or Herm talk on the rest of this. Here is the depth chart of players that have shot at being something for the Chiefs: QB - Croyle (backup QB or 3rd stringer, talent is there for that role) RB - Charles, Smith, Savage FB - Cox WR - Bowe, Franklin, Bradley TE - Cottam T - Albert, Richardson, Taylor G - Waters? C - Rudy DE - Hali, McBride, Johnston DT - Dorsey, Tank LB - Johnson, Williams, Walden CB - Flowers, Carr S - Morgan, Pollard, Page The major needs are QB, DE, MLB, G, and Second WR. We got alot of the parts in place, there are some players that just need to be fit into there actual roles like Hali/Turk for example. They need to battle each on the LE spot. We are still 2 good drafts away from being really good. I think next year with the right draft and solid FA signings we can be back to the true fan range and then take up a spot after that.
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10-20-2008, 10:55 PM	#42
TrickyNicky My Black Friend, Alan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manhattan Casino cash: $10007047	If Stafford isn't there, trade down. That said, I wouldn't mind taking Stafford with our first, and then seeing who falls into the second round. If Alex Mack or Brandon Spikes make it to us, we should be very happy.
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10-20-2008, 11:00 PM	#43
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10-20-2008, 11:01 PM	#44
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