Let's put all the QB talk right here

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The McCoy stuff is what I was thinking...and Campbell isn't a bad comparison for Freeman. For the most part Campbell is a guy who worked out well and has never played to his natural physical talent in games.

I could see workouts vaulting Freeman because he is the kind of guy scouts would love but I have a hard time seeing him playing to that physical talent for a long time. He makes alot of dumb decisions..I understand his team sucks and he has no running game but some of the mistakes he makes are inexcusable.

Freeman will be loved by scouts but he's a major project...he's a combination of Flacco, Boller and Campbell.

Every guy is going to be a major project - name me a non-redshirt junior QB that came out that wasn't a major project.

The Jevan Snead comp Hamas keeps using for Freeman is just as silly as Kyle Boller comps for Stafford by anti-Stafford people.

Everyone has their biases for these guys, but let's focus on what we do know. On Freeman, we know he's huge, has a big arm, is very athletic, has played in a legit pro system, and has improved his numbers every year despite having an extreme lack of talent around him. No, his decision-making is not perfect yet, but if it was he would be the no-brainer pick at #1 due to his physical tools. Stafford's decision-making is hardly pristine, so I think it's a bit ridiculous to keep harping on Freeman.

Bottom line, I'll take Stafford if we have the chance. But if he's gone, I am definitely intrigued by the idea of taking Freeman with a mid-1st round pick, assuming we can trade down or maybe trade back into the 1st.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Every guy is going to be a major project - name me a non-redshirt junior QB that came out that wasn't a major project.

The Jevan Snead comp Hamas keeps using for Freeman is just as silly as Kyle Boller comps for Stafford by anti-Stafford people.

Everyone has their biases for these guys, but let's focus on what we do know. On Freeman, we know he's huge, has a big arm, is very athletic, has played in a legit pro system, and has improved his numbers every year despite having an extreme lack of talent around him. No, his decision-making is not perfect yet, but if it was he would be the no-brainer pick at #1 due to his physical tools. Stafford's decision-making is hardly pristine, so I think it's a bit ridiculous to keep harping on Freeman.

Bottom line, I'll take Stafford if we have the chance. But if he's gone, I am definitely intrigued by the idea of taking Freeman with a mid-1st round pick, assuming we can trade down or maybe trade back into the 1st.

If Freeman had thrown for 478 yards against Baylor, are we having this discussion?

I don't think that people understand how overrated OU's defense is without Reynolds. They got torched by Kansas FFS.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If Freeman had thrown for 478 yards against Baylor, are we having this discussion?

I don't think that people understand how overrated OU's defense is without Reynolds. They got torched by Kansas FFS.

Of course we are. He's been on the national radar all season. I don't live anywhere close to KC, so don't use the Big 12 bias argument on me. We're not talking about Chase Daniel or Todd Reesing, we're talking about a guy with legit pro size and tools.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Of course we are. He's been on the national radar all season. I don't live anywhere close to KC, so don't use the Big 12 bias argument on me. We're not talking about Chase Daniel or Todd Reesing, we're talking about a guy with legit pro size and tools.

I'm sorry, I don't want to spend a top three pick on Jason Campbell. It's horrible value.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sorry, I don't want to spend a top three pick on Jason Campbell. It's horrible value.

Yes, because I'm pounding the drum of drafting him with a top three pick......

Are you incapable of taking the middle ground on an issue, or even a wait and see viewpoint?

You change your argument on Freeman with each post. The bottom line is that Freeman has all the tools to be a great pro pick, and his overall tools are right there with Stafford. We're barely halfway through the year - let's let it play out.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Yes, because I'm pounding the drum of drafting him with a top three pick......

Are you incapable of taking the middle ground on an issue, or even a wait and see viewpoint?

You change your argument on Freeman with each post. The bottom line is that Freeman has all the tools to be a great pro pick, and his overall tools are right there with Stafford. We're barely halfway through the year - let's let it play out.

No, I don't. I've taken a pretty clear stance.

1) If you switched him with Jevan Snead no one gives two shits about him
2) He makes poor decisions with the football
3) He plays against a much lower level of competition than Stafford.

North Texas, Louisville, LA-Lafayette, Tech, OU, Colorado, aTm, Montana State.

That obviously compares to LSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arizona State, Tennessee, Georgia Southern, and Central Michigan.

4) I'm really not in favor of us trading future picks in order to move back up to take someone when we are trying to rebuild an entire football team.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, I don't. I've taken a pretty clear stance.

1) If you switched him with Jevan Snead no one gives two shits about him

You keep saying this, and it makes absolutely no sense. Keep throwing out non sequitors though, it really makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.

2) He makes poor decisions with the football

He's just a junior, he's not perfect, and so does Stafford.

3) He plays against a much lower level of competition than Stafford.

Sure. And his surrounding talent is much worse than what Stafford has, and I've pointed this out to you numerous times.

North Texas, Louisville, LA-Lafayette, Tech, OU, Colorado, aTm, Montana State.

That obviously compares to LSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arizona State, Tennessee, Georgia Southern, and Central Michigan.

All he can do is play the teams on his schedule. His tools are still the same whether KSU plays USC or Northern Iowa. This argument is honestly pretty awful, considering the likes of Big Ben, Flacco, Matt Ryan, etc.

4) I'm really not in favor of us trading future picks in order to move back up to take someone when we are trying to rebuild an entire football team.

We could trade back as well. Either way, it's moronic to just exclude a player that could help this team because you currently don't like one potential way to acquire him.