Chiefs Tyler Thigpen (according to ron jaworski) - Page 10

Ebolapox · 11-12-2008, 12:57 PM

was just listening to tirico and van pelt (espn radio) a few moments ago--and we all know that jaws is a bit of a chiefs homer (one of the few respectable national sports media guys who is), but--he came out and said (I'm paraphrasing, as I wasn't at my laptop right at that moment) that 'the chiefs have found their qb.' he quoted some stats, said he'd analyzed the film on him, and that he looks like a keeper.

as much as I'd LOVE for this to be true--I wonder how much of his annointing thigpen is because of his homerism, and I wonder if he was saying the exact same things about derek anderson. granted, jaws has been a good judge of qbs (he was all over cutler when he came out, when most of us weren't that impressed). and maybe it's my eternal pessimism when it comes to the chiefs--(that, and wondering how he'd do outside of the spread). but could it be? could thigpen be 'the one?'

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I think drafting a 1st day QB would be a great way to gain depth at the position and also add an insurance policy if Thigpen regresses at some point or becomes injured. It doesn't have to be a 1st or 2nd rounder though. We go with an early 2nd day pick. At this point I don't think we "the guy" and have a Damon Huard type as a back up. As far as team needs are concerned I'm well aware of those. A pass rushing, QB sacking DE for the right side of our D would help our D tremendously and of course we still have alot of work to do on our O line as well.

PhilFree

The O-Line can be addressed on the second day, as should a developmental QB. Spending a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB IF Thigpen continues to play at this level is ridiculous when the Chiefs have so many needs.

Do you advocate that the Falcons pick a 1st QB, just in case Matt Ryan regresses or is injured? How about the Broncos? Ravens? Browns? That would be an insane waste of a valuable draft choice.

prhom · 11-12-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The O-Line can be addressed on the second day, as should a developmental QB. Spending a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB IF Thigpen continues to play at this level is ridiculous when the Chiefs have so many needs.

Do you advocate that the Falcons pick a 1st QB, just in case Matt Ryan regresses or is injured? How about the Broncos? Ravens? Browns? That would be an insane waste of a valuable draft choice.

I keep thinking about the Chargers with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers (he was a first rounder right?) though. Maybe, just maybe you take the insurance against a Derek Anderson type situation. The worst thing that happens is you deal away either a proven starter or a highly coveted drafted QB.

philfree · 11-12-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The O-Line can be addressed on the second day, as should a developmental QB. Spending a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB IF Thigpen continues to play at this level is ridiculous when the Chiefs have so many needs.

Do you advocate that the Falcons pick a 1st QB, just in case Matt Ryan regresses or is injured? How about the Broncos? Ravens? Browns? That would be an insane waste of a valuable draft choice.

LBs can be adressed on the 2nd day too. Or in free agency. It's all about best available combined with need when it comes to the draft. A top five pick in this draft if it's not Stafford is DE. If we don't go QB in the 2nd round I would be good if the best available were a RT or a G.
As far as the Falcons are concerned they just spent a 1st round pick on a QB so they'd be foolish to do it again in 2009. They should however make sure they have adequate depth at QB.

PhilFree

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prhom

I keep thinking about the Chargers with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers (he was a first rounder right?) though. Maybe, just maybe you take the insurance against a Derek Anderson type situation. The worst thing that happens is you deal away either a proven starter or a highly coveted drafted QB.

Yeah but that was far different (and foolish, IMO).

Brees had been there for three years and the team wasn't improving. They had the number one overall pick but moved back to number 4 to grab Rivers (and picked up additional picks).

All Brees has done since he was dismissed from San Diego (and with absolutely no compensation), is become one of the best, if not THE best quarterbacks in the league.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

LBs can be adressed on the 2nd day too. Or in free agency. It's all about best available combined with need when it comes to the draft. A top five pick in this draft if it's not Stafford is DE. If we don't go QB in the 2nd round I would be good if the best available were a RT or a G.
As far as the Falcons are concerned they just spent a 1st round pick on a QB so they'd be foolish to do it again in 2009. They should however make sure they have adequate depth at QB.

PhilFree

Phil, if you spend a 2nd round pick on a QB when you already have a franchise QB, your roster better be loaded with talent. The Chiefs roster is barren beyond its starters and many of the starters need to be replaced.

Choosing a QB with a top 5 pick in the 2nd round when the Chiefs have holes nearly everywhere would just about be the dumbest draft move they've ever made. You'd essentially be expecting your 2nd round QB to start in 2010.

Why?

TRR · 11-12-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

What does stafford guarantee? nothing. at least thigpen has played at this level and been at this level for 2 years. in 2010 ther should be more high level qbs in the draft right? stafford does NOT guarantee a winning record in 2009.

so like i said IF thigpen plays out the year well would you rather bet one year and quite possibly the league minimum, or 5-6 years and 60-70 mil? we'll never know what the right choice is until it happens, but like i said in another thread everything happens for a reason.

I'm not really talking about a winning record with Stafford (although I do think he is good enough to give KC a shot). I'm talking about having an ANSWER at QB. Is there a guarantee, no...there never is. But Stafford would be the guy for the next 5 years (because of the investment). Thipgen could be forgotten after 3 games (because there is no investment). At this point, I just want the answer. A solidified answer!

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

At this point, I just want the answer. A solidified answer!

You'll have your answer on 12/29/08.

prhom · 11-12-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah but that was far different (and foolish, IMO).

Brees had been there for three years and the team wasn't improving. They had the number one overall pick but moved back to number 4 to grab Rivers (and picked up additional picks).

All Brees has done since he was dismissed from San Diego (and with absolutely no compensation), is become one of the best, if not THE best quarterbacks in the league.

I guess I thought they got something from NO when they got rid of him. If they didn't, then we should definitely not try to copy that scenario!

prhom · 11-12-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'll have your answer on 12/29/08.

The answer is 42

Red Beans · 11-12-2008, 08:30 PM

Does anyone remember the Grbac/Gannon fiasco. We win with Gannon, but Grbac has the contract and the Mcdonalds endorsement so he starts once he's back from injury. Now I am all for somone retaining their job after an injury. But Gannon had that feel to him, that passion. Like you knew if it we're on his shoulders he's carrying the damn team like Atlas. Considering if Thigpen continues his meteroric rise and we still take a first day QB. We run the risk of having to play someone due to contract. Now we all know this is stupid but it is the way it works the majority of the time...

philfree · 11-12-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Phil, if you spend a 2nd round pick on a QB when you already have a franchise QB, your roster better be loaded with talent. The Chiefs roster is barren beyond its starters and many of the starters need to be replaced.

Choosing a QB with a top 5 pick in the 2nd round when the Chiefs have holes nearly everywhere would just about be the dumbest draft move they've ever made. You'd essentially be expecting your 2nd round QB to start in 2010.

Why?

We did a pretty good job at finding talent all through the 2008 draft so why can't we do it agian? There will be good LBs in the 3rd round as well as good RBs ect. Same goes for later rounds. IMO we have a chance to really develop a franchise QB. Thigpen is part of it but drafting Stafford should also be part of it. Saying Thigpen is beyond the shadow of a doubt "the guy" after only eleven starts and passing on a Blue Chip QB Prosepect is foolish IMO. It's gonna take more than 11 Thigpen starts to convince me that he is "the guy".

PhilFree

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

We did a pretty good job at finding talent all through the 2008 draft so why can't we do it agian? There will be good LBs in the 3rd round as well as good RBs ect. Same goes for later rounds. IMO we have a chance to really develop a franchise QB. Thigpen is part of it but drafting Stafford should also be part of it. Saying Thigpen is beyond the shadow of a doubt "the guy" after only eleven starts and passing on a Blue Chip QB Prosepect is foolish IMO. It's gonna take more than 11 Thigpen starts to convince me that he is "the guy".

PhilFree

Notice how I mentioned "IF" in every post? IF Thigpen continues to play extremely well, it would be FOOLISH to spend a first or second round draft choice on a QUARTERBACK.

The Chiefs won't be a in a position to draft Stafford anyway so if that's your thinking, forget about it.

Detroit will take him in heartbeat.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-12-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Notice how I mentioned "IF" in every post? IF Thigpen continues to play extremely well, it would be FOOLISH to spend a first or second round draft choice on a QUARTERBACK.

The Chiefs won't be a in a position to draft Stafford anyway so if that's your thinking, forget about it.

Detroit will take him in heartbeat.

Don't underestimate how shitty their line is they could easily go for an OT too.

**banyon** · 11-12-2008, 09:50 PM

I'm for the Green Bay plan here. Hope that it works out, but draft another QB in Rds 2-3 just in case.

**Iowanian** · 11-12-2008, 09:50 PM

I'd like to see it be true, but like Brock said, I'm a skeptical Chiefs fan.

Its one thing to work well in a spread offense, but how can he perform with an implemented system? Long term once defenses have some film on him?

I think his mobility and decision making have been good, he's got a nice arm, and the playing time is going to give him great experience and help the team know what they have in him.

I've said it before, and like Dane said, If the 9ers are done with Alex Smith, I think he'd make a great risk in signing.

Regardless if they feel Thigpen can compete as a starter, or is a valid #2, the Chiefs HAVE to bring in at least 1 legitimate QB/prospect and probably 2 QBs.

Its not like the Chiefs are lacking in positions to fill/improve this offseason.

11-12-2008, 12:57 PM
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $-1880097	Tyler Thigpen (according to ron jaworski) was just listening to tirico and van pelt (espn radio) a few moments ago--and we all know that jaws is a bit of a chiefs homer (one of the few respectable national sports media guys who is), but--he came out and said (I'm paraphrasing, as I wasn't at my laptop right at that moment) that 'the chiefs have found their qb.' he quoted some stats, said he'd analyzed the film on him, and that he looks like a keeper. as much as I'd LOVE for this to be true--I wonder how much of his annointing thigpen is because of his homerism, and I wonder if he was saying the exact same things about derek anderson. granted, jaws has been a good judge of qbs (he was all over cutler when he came out, when most of us weren't that impressed). and maybe it's my eternal pessimism when it comes to the chiefs--(that, and wondering how he'd do outside of the spread). but could it be? could thigpen be 'the one?'
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11-12-2008, 08:30 PM	#145
Red Beans Not dead yet... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indian Creek Casino cash: $1659903	Does anyone remember the Grbac/Gannon fiasco. We win with Gannon, but Grbac has the contract and the Mcdonalds endorsement so he starts once he's back from injury. Now I am all for somone retaining their job after an injury. But Gannon had that feel to him, that passion. Like you knew if it we're on his shoulders he's carrying the damn team like Atlas. Considering if Thigpen continues his meteroric rise and we still take a first day QB. We run the risk of having to play someone due to contract. Now we all know this is stupid but it is the way it works the majority of the time...
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11-12-2008, 09:50 PM	#149
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11-12-2008, 09:50 PM	#150
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $1628454	I'd like to see it be true, but like Brock said, I'm a skeptical Chiefs fan. Its one thing to work well in a spread offense, but how can he perform with an implemented system? Long term once defenses have some film on him? I think his mobility and decision making have been good, he's got a nice arm, and the playing time is going to give him great experience and help the team know what they have in him. I've said it before, and like Dane said, If the 9ers are done with Alex Smith, I think he'd make a great risk in signing. Regardless if they feel Thigpen can compete as a starter, or is a valid #2, the Chiefs HAVE to bring in at least 1 legitimate QB/prospect and probably 2 QBs. Its not like the Chiefs are lacking in positions to fill/improve this offseason.
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