Chiefs The problem with Dorsey - Page 8

milkman · 10-29-2008, 10:51 AM

People have become concerned with Glen Dorsey, and fear that he may not be all that was expected.

Whitlock has pointed to his knee injuries as a possible explanation for his lack of production.

Some people have pointed out that he hasn't developed any moves, and others have talked about the fact that he tends to take a step back at the snap.

The biggest problem I see is that he has a tendency to lower his head when he attacks the LOS, and when he does that, the battle is all but lost.

Regardless, all of the technique errors are correctable, and when corrected, he will be a force.

But give him time.

He's a rookie.

It takes time.

Hootie · 11-24-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

EVERYONE EVERYONE was saying Robert Gallery was the safest pick in the draft & would anchor the LT spot for 10 years.

Sometimes EVERYONE EVERYONE is wrong.

Yeah I know...but we've all seen how great Oakland is at developing talent...almost as good as KC.

ClevelandBronco · 11-24-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Yeah I know...but we've all seen how great Oakland is at developing talent...almost as good as KC.

Tonight I have no ****ing right to comment about the Raiders' talent.

ClevelandBronco · 11-24-2008, 01:10 AM

I would like to take out Ashley Lelie's knee, however.

I've done it before and I can provide references.

Hootie · 11-24-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Tonight I have no ****ing right to comment about the Raiders' talent.

Denver is having a weird season...they can beat anyone or lose to anyone, that's for sure.

This whole division is a mess and no one is getting out of it anytime soon.

ClevelandBronco · 11-24-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Denver is having a weird season...they can beat anyone or lose to anyone, that's for sure.

This whole division is a mess and no one is getting out of it anytime soon.

But the AFC West will be getting out of the playoffs very soon.

**Smed1065** · 11-24-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

People have become concerned with Glen Dorsey, and fear that he may not be all that was expected.

Whitlock has pointed to his knee injuries as a possible explanation for his lack of production.

Some people have pointed out that he hasn't developed any moves, and others have talked about the fact that he tends to take a step back at the snap.

The biggest problem I see is that he has a tendency to lower his head when he attacks the LOS, and when he does that, the battle is all but lost.

Regardless, all of the technique errors are correctable, and when corrected, he will be a force.

But give him time.

He's a rookie.

It takes time.

**Smed1065** · 11-24-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Personnel

LOL, I bust anyone against me but I am god and trust me.............

You all suck. I will take a stand with 90% results but if I am wrong then it is not me......Azz

I take the odds on, I mean its 90 to 1. I am a serious ass hole.....

LOL

Wow take a chance.

chiefs1111 · 11-24-2008, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I thought Sims had one AVERAGE year...

really???

kcchiefsus · 11-24-2008, 04:31 AM

Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-24-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.

Agreed, it takes time to develop the skill set required to be a run stopper or a sack leader. Besides that, the guy is playing with another DT who is average at best and absolutely no outside pressure. Also, no help from the LBer's.

I'm sorry but pinning the repulsive defensive play that we have had this season on a rookie DT is naive. Warren Sapp, Albert Haynesworth, and the like all had similar if not worse stats their rookie season. People think that just because a player is big and/or fast in college means that they will be NFL stars immediately.

Our coaching is a JOKE, our DC hid under a cloak of an amazingly talented Offense in the early 2000's, and we blamed Vermeil. Now we have a "defensive" head coach, and our defense is terrible. Do the math

Terrible coaching on Defense + losses + record low sack count on year = Cunningham's pink slip.

CoMoChief · 11-24-2008, 08:41 AM

Whitlock also called Dorsey the next Warren Sapp, this doesn't happen overnight.

If he doesn't at least improve next season, then we may have problems.

raybec 4 · 11-24-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.

I agree with the statement, my only concern is that Dorsey doesn't have anyone to show him the correct way to do it. He has zero veteran leadership to take advice from and his coaches are awful. His best but is to look at what everyone else is doing and then do the exact opposite.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-24-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

I agree with the statement, my only concern is that Dorsey doesn't have anyone to show him the correct way to do it. He has zero veteran leadership to take advice from and his coaches are awful. His best but is to look at what everyone else is doing and then do the exact opposite.

If I were him, I would be on you tube A LOT.

I honestly think he will be better than everyone seems to think and it might be because of this season. He is getting dominated, BUT his learning curve is high. He might build on this year and leapfrog a lot of other DT's next year or 2010 season.

I still hold him in high regards and can only hope we get a DC and an HC that can hone his skills and put players around him to help him and in turn the Defense succeed. I think he is a future leader and I hope we hold on to him and make him the anchor of the defense for years.

I just don't see success with Herm and Gunther.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-24-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

If I were him, I would be on you tube A LOT.

I honestly think he will be better than everyone seems to think and it might be because of this season. He is getting dominated, BUT his learning curve is high. He might build on this year and leapfrog a lot of other DT's next year or 2010 season.

I still hold him in high regards and can only hope we get a DC and an HC that can hone his skills and put players around him to help him and in turn the Defense succeed. I think he is a future leader and I hope we hold on to him and make him the anchor of the defense for years.

I just don't see success with Herm and Gunther.

You have to remember these were the same dipshits who said Bowe>Calvin Johnson and Hali>Williams because they had good rookie years.

StcChief · 11-24-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

A couple pics from Sunday.

Owned by Faneca.

Blown off the ball by Faneca.

fine. A multi year ALL PRO Line man for Steelers owns rookie Dorsey. Hmmm. color me shocked.

10-29-2008, 10:51 AM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	The problem with Dorsey People have become concerned with Glen Dorsey, and fear that he may not be all that was expected. Whitlock has pointed to his knee injuries as a possible explanation for his lack of production. Some people have pointed out that he hasn't developed any moves, and others have talked about the fact that he tends to take a step back at the snap. The biggest problem I see is that he has a tendency to lower his head when he attacks the LOS, and when he does that, the battle is all but lost. Regardless, all of the technique errors are correctable, and when corrected, he will be a force. But give him time. He's a rookie. It takes time.
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11-24-2008, 04:31 AM	#114
kcchiefsus Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nowhere Casino cash: $10017949	Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8032254	Whitlock also called Dorsey the next Warren Sapp, this doesn't happen overnight. If he doesn't at least improve next season, then we may have problems. __________________
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