Go on the record: Who do you want as GM and Head Coach?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

How about "And why?" with that please...

Me, or Mecca?

If me, read the DeCosta bio, and look at Baltimore's drafts - they are rock solid.

And Rex Ryan? Dear God, I hope I don't have to SELL anyone on Rex ****ing Ryan...

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Me, or Mecca?

If me, read the DeCosta bio, and look at Baltimore's drafts - they are rock solid.

And Rex Ryan? Dear God, I hope I don't have to SELL anyone on Rex ****ing Ryan...

No, i meant as in general for the thread for everyone who responds.

[Skip Towne]

I want to Peter Principle some doosh co-ordinator who then will pick his brother in law as the HC.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Me, or Mecca?

If me, read the DeCosta bio, and look at Baltimore's drafts - they are rock solid.

And Rex Ryan? Dear God, I hope I don't have to SELL anyone on Rex ****ing Ryan...

Someone will get upset cause he's been mostly a 3-4 guy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Someone will get upset cause he's been mostly a 3-4 guy.

Let 'em get upset.

That's one of the positives about Ryan. He runs a hybrid defense that includes aspects of the 4-3, 3-4 and 4-6.

Baltimore was running a 4-3 earlier this decade, and made the switch.

I'm not even sure we'd HAVE to make the switch, but if we were ever going to do it, now is the time, while we're at rock-****ing-bottom.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Let 'em get upset.

That's one of the positives about Ryan. He runs a hybrid defense that includes aspects of the 4-3, 3-4 and 4-6.

Baltimore was running a 4-3 earlier this decade, and made the switch.

I'm not even sure we'd HAVE to make the switch, but if we were ever going to do it, now is the time, while we're at rock-****ing-bottom.

But you'll ruin Dorsey man! I'm not being serious I just had to do that...if we were to play 3-4 nearly every front 7 player on this team would need to be let go.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

But you'll ruin Dorsey man! I'm not being serious I just had to do that...if we were to play 3-4 nearly every front 7 player on this team would need to be let go.

That's the thing.

The Ravens don't run a straight 3-4 now as it is.

Ryan has experience in the 4-3, 3-4 and 4-6. We wouldn't HAVE to make any changes at all. If he did choose to make the change, so be it - now's as good a time as any.

And for as much as I bash DJ, I'd love to see what Ryan could do with him as a OLB.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

But you'll ruin Dorsey man! I'm not being serious I just had to do that...if we were to play 3-4 nearly every front 7 player on this team would need to be let go.

That's not true. I actually think that our linemen would excel in a 3-4. I think Turk is the exact mold of a DE you look for and Dorsey would also make an excellent DE.

The reason most teams run a 3-4 is because they are legitimately worried that it is too, too hard to find difference-making DEs. So what a 3-4 does is essentially put two defensive tackles on the line with a nose tackle in the middle.

Given that the strength of the Chiefs, in my opinion, is the corners and the defensive tackles (Tank, Dorsey, and... yes, Turk for a 3-4), it allows us to build on the right strengths. The next step is finding a nose tackle and shoring up the linebackers. The nose tackle is harder to find, but LBs are easy and they are easily available, and it is something we need to upgrade anyway.

As I put it in another thread... regardless of whether we run a 3-4 or a 4-3, we'll probably need to make some major changes and probably the same amount of major changes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Me, or Mecca?

If me, read the DeCosta bio, and look at Baltimore's drafts - they are rock solid.

And Rex Ryan? Dear God, I hope I don't have to SELL anyone on Rex ****ing Ryan...

I have some concerns. For one thing, does this require us to move to a 3-4 (I argued this in another thread that it's not a terrible idea).

Here's what concerns me most. I think there are a lot of awesome coaches who just weren't meant to ever be head coach material. As a head coach, you become more removed from the X's and O's and it becomes more important how you manage your staff and players. I just see Ryan as a guy his players will learn to hate. As a coordinator, you can rip apart your players and be the jerk. As a coach, you also have to be their friend. I'm not sure if Ryan has that in him. Also, as we learned from Gregg Williams, you have to be able to manage the ball from both sides of the ball, so the head coach has to be cool enough to realize that he can't control everything. Too often head coaches try to become too involved in the side of the ball they have too limited experience dealing with.

My sense is that Ryan is a football genius and yet you rarely ever hear his name come up for consideration from most teams, which leads me to believe that other GMs might be on the same wavelength as me.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I have some concerns. For one thing, does this require us to move to a 3-4 (I argued this in another thread that it's not a terrible idea).

Here's what concerns me most. I think there are a lot of awesome coaches who just weren't meant to ever be head coach material. As a head coach, you become more removed from the X's and O's and it becomes more important how you manage your staff and players. I just see Ryan as a guy his players will learn to hate. As a coordinator, you can rip apart your players and be the jerk. As a coach, you also have to be their friend. I'm not sure if Ryan has that in him. Also, as we learned from Gregg Williams, you have to be able to manage the ball from both sides of the ball, so the head coach has to be cool enough to realize that he can't control everything. Too often head coaches try to become too involved in the side of the ball they have too limited experience dealing with.

My sense is that Ryan is a football genius and yet you rarely ever hear his name come up for consideration from most teams, which leads me to believe that other GMs might be on the same wavelength as me.

Other GMs?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Other GMs?

I'm saying that I think it's interesting that lots of other teams have known about Ryan for years, but nobody's approached him for an interview. Seems a lot like Monte Kiffin, Jim Johnson, and Al Saunders. These seem to be guys that GMs believe are real good coordinators who wouldn't be or wouldn't want to be good head coaches.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm saying that I think it's interesting that lots of other teams have known about Ryan for years, but nobody's approached him for an interview. Seems a lot like Monte Kiffin, Jim Johnson, and Al Saunders. These seem to be guys that GMs believe are real good coordinators who wouldn't be or wouldn't want to be good head coaches.

I got what you mean't.

But your wording, using "other GMs" left the implication that you yourself were/are a GM.
I know that isn't what you mean't.
I just found it funny and had to comment.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Me, or Mecca?

If me, read the DeCosta bio, and look at Baltimore's drafts - they are rock solid.

And Rex Ryan? Dear God, I hope I don't have to SELL anyone on Rex ****ing Ryan...

I think you wouldn't have to sell that one to anyone, not even herm himself.....