Chiefs Brian Waters?

DaWolf · 12-18-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I remember when the players were in love with Frank Gansz.

That's why players don't run the team. I remember when Joe Bugel was popular with the Raiders players.

The players know two things:

1) Don't throw the current coach under the bus unless you want to be labeled a malcontent by the next administration

2) The next coach will more than likely bust the players asses with hard-nosed practices and get rid of this buddy buddy soft Herm crap we've seen the last few years.

This really all depends on who the next GM is, so I wouldn't start freaking out about Herm until then. I know of very few "outside the organization" GM's who can bring a "fresh outlook" to the franchise who would want to go into a season with a head coach entering a lame duck season. Could happen, but we'll see...

FringeNC · 12-18-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

This really all depends on who the next GM is, so I wouldn't start freaking out about Herm until then. I know of very few "outside the organization" GM's who can bring a "fresh outlook" to the franchise who would want to go into a season with a head coach entering a lame duck season. Could happen, but we'll see...

Three possibilities:

1. Herm is fired
2. Herm coaches next year as a lame duck
3. Herm receives a contract extension

Why would a new GM want #2? No new GM wants the potential for a meltdown in his first year. If next year Herm was going to be coaching without a contract, it made no sense to fire Carl. It's immediately putting the new GM in the hot seat.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-18-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Three possibilities:

1. Herm is fired
2. Herm coaches next year as a lame duck
3. Herm receives a contract extension

Why would a new GM want #2? No new GM wants the potential for a meltdown in his first year. If next year Herm was going to be coaching without a contract, it made no sense to fire Carl. It's immediately putting the new GM in the hot seat.

So many of you guys act as if Herm was given a great team to coach and he just plain ****ed up.

The bottom line is that the roster was in complete and utter shambles and while Herm obviously knew this (and went to Clark about it), Peterson just went about his business, ignoring the advice of the people that worked for him.

Now, he's out.

Believe it or not, Herm is well-respected among the coaching community and I think you'd have a hard time finding someone who's just willing to fire him without performing adequate due-diligence. And that due-diligence just might take an entire season, namely the 2009 season.

It's not as if Herm was hired to coach the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Carolina Panthers - teams that are loaded with talent.

Fish · 12-18-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So many of you guys act as if Herm was given a great team to coach and he just plain ****ed up.

The bottom line is that the roster was in complete and utter shambles and while Herm obviously knew this (and went to Clark about it), Peterson just went about his business, ignoring the advice of the people that worked for him.

Now, he's out.

Believe it or not, Herm is well-respected among the coaching community and I think you'd have a hard time finding someone who's just willing to fire him without performing adequate due-diligence. And that due-diligence just might take an entire season, namely the 2009 season.

It's not as if Herm was hired to coach the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Carolina Panthers - teams that are loaded with talent.

That's what I'm thinking as well...

**the Talking Can** · 12-18-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So many of you guys act as if Herm was given a great team to coach and he just plain ****ed up.

The bottom line is that the roster was in complete and utter shambles and while Herm obviously knew this (and went to Clark about it), Peterson just went about his business, ignoring the advice of the people that worked for him.

Now, he's out.

Believe it or not, Herm is well-respected among the coaching community and I think you'd have a hard time finding someone who's just willing to fire him without performing adequate due-diligence. And that due-diligence just might take an entire season, namely the 2009 season.

It's not as if Herm was hired to coach the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Carolina Panthers - teams that are loaded with talent.

FringeNC · 12-18-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So many of you guys act as if Herm was given a great team to coach and he just plain ****ed up.

The bottom line is that the roster was in complete and utter shambles and while Herm obviously knew this (and went to Clark about it), Peterson just went about his business, ignoring the advice of the people that worked for him.

Now, he's out.

Believe it or not, Herm is well-respected among the coaching community and I think you'd have a hard time finding someone who's just willing to fire him without performing adequate due-diligence. And that due-diligence just might take an entire season, namely the 2009 season.

It's not as if Herm was hired to coach the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Carolina Panthers - teams that are loaded with talent.

Without getting into the merits of whether Herm is a good coach or not, it puts the new GM in a tough, tough spot. These guys want to hit the ground running. They have a model for success, and have a short list of coaches that they want to team with.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-18-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So many of you guys act as if Herm was given a great team to coach and he just plain ****ed up.

The bottom line is that the roster was in complete and utter shambles and while Herm obviously knew this (and went to Clark about it), Peterson just went about his business, ignoring the advice of the people that worked for him.

Now, he's out.

Believe it or not, Herm is well-respected among the coaching community and I think you'd have a hard time finding someone who's just willing to fire him without performing adequate due-diligence. And that due-diligence just might take an entire season, namely the 2009 season.

It's not as if Herm was hired to coach the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Carolina Panthers - teams that are loaded with talent.

Question:

Should winning be important to a team that is rebuilding?

MikeMaslowski · 12-18-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Question:

Should winning be important to a team that is rebuilding?

I hope everyones answer to this YES..... for everyone that wants us to lose .... eff Off

Extra Point · 12-18-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Question:

Should winning be important to a team that is rebuilding?

How many fourth quarters do you need to come up with an answer?

**The Bad Guy** · 12-18-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Question:

Should winning be important to a team that is rebuilding?

It absolutely should be important.

This is a production-based business.

6 wins in 30 games is down right sickening.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-18-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

I hope everyones answer to this YES..... for everyone that wants us to lose .... eff Off

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Originally Posted by Extra Point

How many fourth quarters do you need to come up with an answer?

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It absolutely should be important.

This is a production-based business.

6 wins in 30 games is down right sickening.

I'm not avoiding you guys, I'm just looking for an answer specifically from Dane.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-18-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not avoiding you guys, I'm just looking for an answer specifically from Dane.

Dane seems like a pretty knowledgable guy.

I just don't know how you could ever defend Herm Edwards like he's a first year HC.

He's been coaching for 7 freaking years.

MikeMaslowski · 12-18-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

6 wins in 30 games is down right sickening.

Yes Sir.......... thats a rep, just cuz im drunk and feel that way.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-18-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Question:

Should winning be important to a team that is rebuilding?

Of course it's important.

I wrote that from the possible perspective of the new GM and what his reasons could possibly be for retaining Herm.

If Clark Hunt weren't the owner, I'd expect Herm and the coaching staff to be fired once the GM is in place. But it would not shock me to see Herm as the coach in 2009 for the reasons I stated, along with Clark's support of Herm.

Would I be happy to see Edwards replaced with a more competent X's and O's gameday coach? Absolutely.

Make no mistake about that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-18-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course it's important.

Then why keep a guy on that gets in the way of winning?

For all the talk about how little talent this team has, you can't honestly tell me they wouldn't have at LEAST 5-6 wins with a competent coach.

Why hold these kids back?

Bringing in a new HC allows these kids to not only develop, but to learn how how win.

Keeping HE in charge means only one of those things is going to take place.

We all know which one...