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Old 12-18-2008, 08:32 PM   #1
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I don't agree with that.

I look at it from the other perspective: I can't friggin' believe that the Chiefs are even IN these games given the lack of talent on the right side of the offensive line, at WR, at LB and especially at DE. Yet other people think Herm needs to go in spite of these blatant deficiencies.

The Chiefs could have won in NY (I was there and said "Oh, shit!" when they punted with 5:35 left).

The would have beat Tampa without injuries to DJ and Flowers.

They may have won in San Diego had it not been for the missed extra point.

They may have beat San Diego this past weekend had it not been for Bowe's mishap and two misses FG's.

They may have beat Denver in Denver but the defense couldn't hold.

But they didn't and people want him fired, as if any other coach could have coached around the lack of talent and depth. As I said earlier, it's not like the Chiefs have the talent and depth of the Cowboys, Giants or Panthers.

I don't get it.
No one is claiming they have the talent of Dallas, New York or Carolina, Dane.

They obviously HAVE enough talent to be in these games, and it's painfully obvious to ANYONE watching that piss-poor coaching decisions are turning potential wins into losses.

Other coaches wouldn't be playing not-to-lose.

Other coaches wouldn't be so reckless with time management.

Other coaches wouldn't employ an OC who's 2nd half playcalling is so predictable, that the other team and the freaking FANS watching on TV are calling out what's going to happen before the snap.

So sorry, I have to call bullshit when you say another coach couldn't have coached around this so-called lack of talent and depth.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:38 PM   #2
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Other coaches wouldn't be playing not-to-lose.
Are you referring to coaches who haven't fallen from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree? If so, I agree.

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Other coaches wouldn't employ an OC who's 2nd half playcalling is so predictable, that the other team and the freaking FANS watching on TV are calling out what's going to happen before the snap.
So in your opinion, Chan Gailey should be unemployed? Interesting.

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So sorry, I have to call bullshit when you say another coach couldn't have coached around this so-called lack of talent and depth.
Like who? Chris Palmer? Dom Capers? Jim Fassell? Brian Billick? Jack Del Rio? Marvin Lewis? Jim Zorn? Rod Marinelli? Tom Cable? Norv Turner? Scott Linehan? Jim Haslett? Need I go on?

You must really believe that Herm is worthless by making that statement. In case you hadn't noticed, there are coaches that are hired and fired every year that are far worse than Herm Edwards.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:48 PM   #3
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Are you referring to coaches who haven't fallen from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree? If so, I agree.



So in your opinion, Chan Gailey should be unemployed? Interesting.



Like who? Chris Palmer? Dom Capers? Jim Fassell? Brian Billick? Jack Del Rio? Marvin Lewis? Jim Zorn? Rod Marinelli? Tom Cable? Norv Turner? Scott Linehan? Jim Haslett? Need I go on?

You must really believe that Herm is worthless by making that statement. In case you hadn't noticed, there are coaches that are hired and fired every year that are far worse than Herm Edwards.

I would bet everything I own that if Billick, Del Rio, Haslett, Fassel or Lewis were the coach of this team, as is, we'd have more than TWO ****ing wins.

And regarding Gailey:

No, overall, I haven't been terribly impressed.

When the overwhelming majority of your running plays in key situations are behind the weakest part of your line - I have a problem with that.

When you're giving the ball to LJ 4 times in the 2nd half - I have a problem with that.

When your go-to plays in a goal-to-go scenario are the goddamn fade pass and a QB draw - I have a problem with that.

When your 2nd half play calling is as dry and predictable as the last guy who ran the offense - I have a problem with that.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:04 PM   #4
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I would bet everything I own that if Billick, Del Rio, Haslett, Fassel or Lewis were the coach of this team, as is, we'd have more than TWO ****ing wins.
Wow, I highly doubt it. Del Rio's got a much more talented Jacksonville squad, yet he's only got 5 wins this year.

Haslett's probably coaching an equally talented squad and he's got two.

Lewis has a more talented squad (offensively for certain) and he's got three.

I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can win with guys like Adrian Jones, Rudy Niwanger, Damion McIntosh, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman and Demorrio Williams as your starters (let alone Devard Darling) playing KEY positions (and a 7th round I-AA 2nd year QB to boot).

When you have THAT many holes that need to filled, you're going to lose a LOT of games.

Period.

I said the Chiefs would win 3 games at most back in May and you disagreed. Now that it's likely, you blame Edwards and Gailey, when the blame clearly lies at the feet of Carl Peterson for not providing his head coach with even AVERAGE talent at key positions.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:05 PM   #5
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I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can win with guys like Adrian Jones, Rudy Niwanger, Damion McIntosh, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman and Demorrio Williams as your starters (let alone Devard Darling) playing KEY positions (and a 7th round I-AA 2nd year QB to boot).
Herm put those guys on his team......
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:08 PM   #6
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Herm put those guys on his team......
Herm is only responsible for the talented players and their developement, Peterson is responsible for everything else...
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:19 PM   #7
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of course they are having a circle jerk concerning Herm, He's buddies with them now and they know where they stand with him. Does that make him the right guy for the job? hell no, a reeruned monkey on PCP could've managed the Charger game to a win. Herm just ass****ed himself with that instance, and it was the breaking point that got Carl fired this season.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:22 PM   #8
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Herm is only responsible for the talented players and their developement, Peterson is responsible for everything else...
Considering that Herm wanted a full-on rebuild to take place since 2006 and Peterson ignored the request and continued to sign over-the-hill and less than mediocre talent at every sore spot, I'd say that's accurate.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:20 PM   #9
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Herm put those guys on his team......
So you're telling me that Herm is the GM now?

WTF?
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:32 PM   #10
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So you're telling me that Herm is the GM now?

WTF?
Oh geez Dane, give me a break, you know he had a say so in the personnel, stop reaching
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So you're telling me that Herm is the GM now?

WTF?
Only if he can stab himself in the back..... ****ing weasel...
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Wow, I highly doubt it. Del Rio's got a much more talented Jacksonville squad, yet he's only got 5 wins this year.

Haslett's probably coaching an equally talented squad and he's got two.

Lewis has a more talented squad (offensively for certain) and he's got three.

I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can win with guys like Adrian Jones, Rudy Niwanger, Damion McIntosh, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman and Demorrio Williams as your starters (let alone Devard Darling) playing KEY positions (and a 7th round I-AA 2nd year QB to boot).

When you have THAT many holes that need to filled, you're going to lose a LOT of games.

Period.

I said the Chiefs would win 3 games at most back in May and you disagreed. Now that it's likely, you blame Edwards and Gailey, when the blame clearly lies at the feet of Carl Peterson for not providing his head coach with even AVERAGE talent at key positions.
Dane, you can keep crying about a lack of talent all you want.

They have shown they have the talent to win how many games this year - at least 5 by my count - only to have wins taken from them by bad coaching decisions.

I said they had a floor of 4 wins and a ceiling of 6.

Based on the way they've played in the 2nd half of the season, it's more than fair to say i would have been dead on had there not been a bumbling idiot on the sidelines grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:40 PM   #13
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Dane, you can keep crying about a lack of talent all you want.

They have shown they have the talent to win how many games this year - at least 5 by my count - only to have wins taken from them by bad coaching decisions.

I said they had a floor of 4 wins and a ceiling of 6.

Based on the way they've played in the 2nd half of the season, it's more than fair to say i would have been dead on had there not been a bumbling idiot on the sidelines grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.
I guess we'll agree to disagree.

In New York, he made the "mistake" of not going for it on 4th & 1. There was no guarantee that they would have made the first down, nor is there a guarantee that they would have scored. But I guess in your mind, that's an error on Herm's part. Running at Kris Jenkins with Kolby Smith? Who's going to win that battle 90% of the time?

Versus Tampa Bay, the defense fell apart without the services of DJ and Flowers. The Special Teams suck because there's no depth across the entire roster and they'll continue to suck until the roster is rebuilt.

In San Diego, are you blaming Herm? They went for the win. I guess you think he erred and they should have kicked the extra point (even though he already missed one PAT) and attempt to win in OT?

And last weekend, where did Herm err? Surtain gave up the TD. Bowe fumbled. The kicker missed a 16 yarder and a 50 yarder. Where did Herm err?

I guess we just see these games much differently.
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