Go on the record: Who do you want as GM and Head Coach?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Time to make some decisions, folks.

No lists, pick ONE GM.

PLEASE make this realistic. A current GM making a lateral move is not realistic.

Also: Pick a HC that you think would be a realistic choice of your GM.

Post bios if you wish.



I'll start:


GM: Eric DeCosta, 37, Director Of College Scouting, Baltimore Ravens.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...c_DeCosta.aspx


HC: Rex Ryan, 46, Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, Baltimore Ravens.


http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl.../Rex_Ryan.aspx

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

No its because Herm is the only coach in the NFL that can identify talent. Herm can win with talent, he has proven that before...

I stand corrected.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I guess you can take this "production based business" business to any short-sighted extreme that you want. Maybe the head coach ought to be fired after each loss instead of after a single bad year. I'm talking about a little longer range thinking than you are, I guess.

Of course I'm not talking about a game-by-game basis.

There is nothing that shows me that Herm Edwards is a short-term, or long-term solution.

He's mediocre, and I don't want a mediocre coach leading this team for the future.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Of course I'm not talking about a game-by-game basis.

There is nothing that shows me that Herm Edwards is a short-term, or long-term solution.

He's mediocre, and I don't want a mediocre coach leading this team for the future.

Hes about 17 games from even being close to mediocre...

[BigChiefFan]

Is it wonder Carl got to stay so long with fans that make any and every excuse for the organization?

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Schottenheimer as GM

Cowher as coach

In some ways, I'd be ok with that. But Marty seemed unable to build through the draft as HC. I'd rather have Herm at GM than Marty. But I'd take Marty/Cower.

However, my preference is:

Pioli & Cower

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

The rebuild was an result of Carl and Herm both trying to save their jobs....

Both tried to sell the fans a playoff push last year with and broken down LJ and Huard...

It was until about week 9 last year that they realized they where in deep shit and started the so called rebuild talk.... Since then, its been one catastrophic mess after another....

It will take the next GM and HC at least next year to get this rudderless ship righted and steering straight...

I guess people see what they want to see. Don't you remember Hard Knocks when it sure looked like Herm wanted to go with Brodie Croyle from the beginning and Carl threw a wet blanket on the idea by saying something about going with the guy who was most likely to help win games now (regardless of the long range consequences)?

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Sully

I stand corrected.

Its okay Sully, As soon as you convert to the side of Herman's You will understand the value of running the clock out and kicking FG's.

Regardless, its okay, it happens, its called life, therefore, GET OVER IT!!!

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Its okay Sully, As soon as you convert to the side of Herman's You will understand the value of running the clock out and kicking FG's.

Regardless, its okay, it happens, its called life, therefore, GET OVER IT!!!

Can I challenge plays that will obviously not be overturned? And by obvious, I mean that Stevie Wonder slaps his head when he hears that Herm has thrown the red flag.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I guess people see what they want to see. Don't you remember Hard Knocks when it sure looked like Herm wanted to go with Brodie Croyle from the beginning and Carl threw a wet blanket on the idea by saying something about going with the guy who was most likely to help win games now (regardless of the long range consequences)?

Yes and I puked, but Herm didnt resist the issue and start the season with "his" guy.. He buckled under the pressure, so instead of standing up for himself, he weasled his way into Clarks boxers....

Herm is not without fault, He is a coward that hides behind the big game he talks...

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Sully

Can I challenge plays that will obviously not be overturned? And by obvious, I mean that Stevie Wonder slaps his head when he hears that Herm has thrown the red flag.

Dude!

You will learn that is Chapter 3, Herms book for successful NFL football called, "This aint no Arena League boys!"

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Of course I'm not talking about a game-by-game basis.

There is nothing that shows me that Herm Edwards is a short-term, or long-term solution.

He's mediocre, and I don't want a mediocre coach leading this team for the future.

I know you're not talking about a game-by-game basis, I'm just pointing out that at some point short-term thinking gets ridiculous. If Clark fires Herm because he has weighed all the pros and cons and he thinks it makes the most sense over the long term for the Chiefs then I have no problem with it. If he fires him just so he can sell more season tickets in 2009 to emotional fans who want Herm gone, then I think it's a mistake.

Contrary to what it sounds like you're saying, IMO, the case for firing Herm isn't open and shut. I'm not against firing him (especially if not doing so stands in the way of getting a top notch GM). I just think there are some drawbacks to firing him that ought to be considered, one of which is the message it sends to any future coaches/GMs who consider blowing up the team and starting a fresh new push toward a Superbowl.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I know you're not talking about a game-by-game basis, I'm just pointing out that at some point short-term thinking gets ridiculous. If Clark fires Herm because he has weighed all the pros and cons and he thinks it makes the most sense over the long term for the Chiefs then I have no problem with it. If he fires him just so he can sell more season tickets in 2009 to emotional fans who want Herm gone, then I think it's a mistake.

Contrary to what it sounds like you're saying, IMO, the case for firing Herm isn't open and shut. I'm not against firing him (especially if not doing so stands in the way of getting a top notch GM). I just think there are some drawbacks to firing him that ought to be considered, one of which is the message it sends to any future coaches/GMs who consider blowing up the team and starting a fresh new push toward a Superbowl.

Don't you think next year would be a fresh, new start, if we had a, fresh, new coach?

Next year will be a rebuild regardless, nobody could turn this team around in one year, not with Herm as the coach-he will costs us games on game management alone-not really somebody to hitch your wagon to. Herm's record speaks volumes and cannot be ignored, nor can his game-day decisions. Add to that, the number 32 defense and you have a recipe for epic fail.

My, Goodness, why don't some of you want to be the BEST and quit endorsing a LOSER? Endorsing a half-assed coach is a loser's mentality.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I know you're not talking about a game-by-game basis, I'm just pointing out that at some point short-term thinking gets ridiculous. If Clark fires Herm because he has weighed all the pros and cons and he thinks it makes the most sense over the long term for the Chiefs then I have no problem with it. If he fires him just so he can sell more season tickets in 2009 to emotional fans who want Herm gone, then I think it's a mistake.

Contrary to what it sounds like you're saying, IMO, the case for firing Herm isn't open and shut. I'm not against firing him (especially if not doing so stands in the way of getting a top notch GM). I just think there are some drawbacks to firing him that ought to be considered, one of which is the message it sends to any future coaches/GMs who consider blowing up the team and starting a fresh new push toward a Superbowl.

Its would send more of a message that losing 24 of your last 30 or the quest for mediocrity in KC is unacceptable.

If you want to preform on the highest level and win championships, then this is the place you want to come, but if your looking for an easy paycheck at Club Herm, then you need to go else where!

Besides no respectable GM or GM canidate wants to come and babysit Herm... He will want to bring in his own people to build upon. Thats just the way it goes, it has nothing to do with negative message sent around the league, its just business....

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Of course I'm not talking about a game-by-game basis.

There is nothing that shows me that Herm Edwards is a short-term, or long-term solution.

He's mediocre, and I don't want a mediocre coach leading this team for the future.

Your last point is finally something I can agree with. He is a mediocre coach. Not the horrible one people present him to be.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I know you're not talking about a game-by-game basis, I'm just pointing out that at some point short-term thinking gets ridiculous. If Clark fires Herm because he has weighed all the pros and cons and he thinks it makes the most sense over the long term for the Chiefs then I have no problem with it. If he fires him just so he can sell more season tickets in 2009 to emotional fans who want Herm gone, then I think it's a mistake.

Contrary to what it sounds like you're saying, IMO, the case for firing Herm isn't open and shut. I'm not against firing him (especially if not doing so stands in the way of getting a top notch GM). I just think there are some drawbacks to firing him that ought to be considered, one of which is the message it sends to any future coaches/GMs who consider blowing up the team and starting a fresh new push toward a Superbowl.

I can only hope that during the interview this exchange takes place

Clark: OK if not herm who?

Potential GM: ______________(insert name )
Clark: Fine that's the direction we wil pursue if that's what it takes to get this done.

I can dream