Chiefs Allen is going to outsack the Chiefs - Page 4

OctoberFart · 12-19-2008, 10:47 PM

Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-20-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Headcase? I don't think so.

He had legal issues. DUIs. Initially recieved a 4-game suspension, reduced to 2 games.

**HemiEd** · 12-20-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Headcase? I don't think so. The dude never bitched (other than about his contract which I think he deserved) in KC and played friggin' HARD every game...and this year in Minnesota he has played through countless injuries and made another pro bowl and will probably have 16 or 17 sacks.

The dude is a flat out STUD and a top 5 DE in the league who looks as if he's conquered his drinking problem.

I still think we got great value out of him and with the money we saved by not giving him $30M guaranteed we can sign a high priced free agent so in reality we're getting Albert/Charles/Morgan/high priced free agent (if we sign one) for Allen.

I aprove of this message.

Hootie · 12-20-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

He had legal issues. DUIs. Initially recieved a 4-game suspension, reduced to 2 games.

and he SWORE those issues were in his past and they never leaked onto the field...and Minnesota has a very conservative owner who had no problem giving up 3 picks and a MONSTER contract for the guy, so...

RINGLEADER · 12-20-2008, 10:55 AM

Like a draft you can't really value this transaction now.

But if you presume that all the players involved continue to play as they did this season I think the Vikings end up with an "A" defensive end and the Chiefs end up with an "A-" or "B+" Left Tackle.

Cue the debate over whether or not a DE is more valuable than a LT.

Regardless, I think the Vikes got the better end of the deal (unless you factor in the reality that Jared Allen didn't want to play for the Chiefs anymore).

RINGLEADER · 12-20-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

and he SWORE those issues were in his past and they never leaked onto the field...and Minnesota has a very conservative owner who had no problem giving up 3 picks and a MONSTER contract for the guy, so...

Yeah, I agree. It was an issue but not a big one really.

Agent V · 12-20-2008, 11:03 AM

And did we mention the Raiders suck?

Warrior5 · 12-20-2008, 11:27 AM

Do we need to say anything more than "Jamarcus Russell"?

Thread over.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-20-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

I guess when your team is in as sad of a state as the Raiders are, the only thing you have left is to analyze the every move of your rivals. I mean, with all of the Raiders failures over the last decade what's left?

Yep. We are missing JA, but no one thought we'd win this trade this year. It's kind of like when Al Davis let Jon Gruden walk away. He went to Tampa and proceeded to stick his dick down the Raiders collective throats. The good news for the Raiders is since he left..........oh wait. There is no good news. They've quickly devolved into the worst franchise in all of professional sports.

But yeah. You keep on telling us every spot we've went wrong. Frankly, it's a lot easier hearing it from you.

stevieray · 12-20-2008, 11:33 AM

Allen didn't want to be here...

Damn, it's not rocket science.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-20-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Oh, and Cooter = Marlboro Chief, so he's gone again. It's like a fun little game we play to see how long he can go without me figuring out it's him.

Huh. Looks like Sandy was right. It was a bitch.

**DaFace** · 12-20-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

For what it's worth, I'm about 90% sure that AutumnWind = GROB, so it's entirely possible that he's really a Broncos fan pretending to be a Raiders fan. That would make more sense in terms of why he continually talks smack even when the Raiders are in the tank.

In case you missed it....

StcChief · 12-20-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Like a draft you can't really value this transaction now.

But if you presume that all the players involved continue to play as they did this season I think the Vikings end up with an "A" defensive end and the Chiefs end up with an "A-" or "B+" Left Tackle.

Cue the debate over whether or not a DE is more valuable than a LT.

Regardless, I think the Vikes got the better end of the deal (unless you factor in the reality that Jared Allen didn't want to play for the Chiefs anymore).

exactly.... check back end of 2010-2011 season.... by then we will know.

JohnnyV13 · 12-20-2008, 05:05 PM

Well....think about this issue. How much better would the Chiefs be had they drafted Albert at 5 and then kept Jared Allen. Allen would have had a huge impact on our defensive performance, and this team could very well have won 7 or more games with him in the lineup.

Of course, the long term value=getting rid of Herm and Carl, getting Albert, Charles, Morgan AND free agents (if we do use that cap room), is pretty damn high.

whoman69 · 12-20-2008, 07:07 PM

I have no problem with moving Allen except there wasn't a plan in place to fill his spot. Tamba Hali was clearly out of position on that side, and having a DT fill in on the other side is not exactly panning out either. Besides an awful scheme that were running as well, this team went into this year with very predictable results. We don't have enough cover personnel to blitz, and that leaves huge gaps in the cover 2 anyway.

Hootie · 12-20-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Yeah, I agree. It was an issue but not a big one really.

It was a total double standard by Carl Peterson...

If Jared was such a risk, why did LJ get $20M guaranteed?

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JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5375200	Well....think about this issue. How much better would the Chiefs be had they drafted Albert at 5 and then kept Jared Allen. Allen would have had a huge impact on our defensive performance, and this team could very well have won 7 or more games with him in the lineup. Of course, the long term value=getting rid of Herm and Carl, getting Albert, Charles, Morgan AND free agents (if we do use that cap room), is pretty damn high.
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