Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm

[KCJohnny]

Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm

• Among the players lobbying for Herm Edwards’ retention as Chiefs coach was QB Tyler Thigpen, whom Edwards has identified as his anticipated starter in 2009 should he be around to make that decision.

“I hope we’re not playing for his job,” said Thigpen, who saw the Chiefs build the “Pistol” offense around his spread-quarterback abilities at midseason.

“We’ve had some tough ones this year, but I don’t think his job should be in jeopardy,” Thigpen added. “He’s done what he should have done this year. Don’t blame him at all. If anyone wants to say that, come take it up with me.”

• Added Pro Bowl G Brian Waters, who was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl last week:

“Herm, without a shadow of a doubt, is the most resilient person in this organization. He understands the cards he was dealt when he got here (in 2006), and he understands what he has to deal with this season.

“If anybody leads by example, it’s him. He comes to work every day with the same energy, and he has not let this situation affect him one way or another. I don’t know of many coaches that could hold it together through the things we’ve had to go through for the past three years. I think a lot of coaches in that situation would be looking for the door.”

Reading the tea leaves, if Edwards is retained, Thiggy could be his guy. With Quinn Gray as a similarly styled athletic shotgun QB, the mold could be set for Pistol II. Chan Gailey is somehow omitted from the article, the true architect of the KC Pistol. I am wondering if Gailey's style of offense is ultimately welcome in Herm's scheme of maneuver. The low TOP figures (a mere 25 minutes last Sunday) and low rushing attempts (just 15 carries for RBs) are not BucBall.

I think that if Herm is retained (as some players seem to support) that Gailey should be given a blank check and maybe even some more weapons. Clearly, the emerging strength of the team is it's offense. Makes you wonder what a new GM/HC tandem might do with the Chiefs' roster...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

They changed the offense because it wasn't working. Which still doesn't give any credence to your idea that they would change it back in spite of it's success.

And it doesn't matter when you think the season was lost. I strongly disagree that the team shared that idea. Regardless, that still doesn't change the fact that they changed from something that wasn't working, to something that works much much better. The head coach isn't going to switch back to a failed offense because he hates TDs. You can still hate Herm, but concentrate on things he's actually done instead of what your hatred tells you he might do........

First, Fish I don't hate Herm he is a good guy just a horrible head coach.

Second, I find it funny that it took Herm 3 years and an embarrassing playoff loss to figure out that R2P2 doesn't work. We all know why they changed the offense. It was because Thigpen sucks when he is under center we witnessed first hand against Atlanta and then in spot duty in a few other games before he became the starter.

Third, it is my belief that they would immediately switch back to R2P2 if they had a QB that could play under center. Chiefzilla is correct when he says that Herm and Chan have similar philosophies on that.

I will give some credit for them changing it up but let's not fool ourselves that it came out of some sort of enlightened process. It was born out of necessity...period.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

First, Fish I don't hate Herm he is a good guy just a horrible head coach.

Second, I find it funny that it took Herm 3 years and an embarrassing playoff loss to figure out that R2P2 doesn't work. We all know why they changed the offense. It was because Thigpen sucks when he is under center we witnessed first hand against Atlanta and then in spot duty in a few other games before he became the starter.

Third, it is my belief that they would immediately switch back to R2P2 if they had a QB that could play under center. Chiefzilla is correct when he says that Herm and Chan have similar philosophies on that.

I will give some credit for them changing it up but let's not fool ourselves that it came out of some sort of enlightened process. It was born out of necessity...period.

I agree with most of that. But I don't think we'll ever go back to R2P2. Never as bad as what we saw in 06-07 anyway. We may end up taking a pocket passer and running more from under center, but I don't think we'll ever be back to that nastiness. I've seen too much creativity with the few tools we have now to think that a better QB and a few linemen could drag us down to R2P2 level. If we keep Thigpen, then we'll continue with some form of the spread. If we draft a first round traditional pocket passer, then that alone will bring the offense above R2P2 level.

And I don't care if it was born out of necessity. Many great things in the NFL come about that way.

[Sully]

I wonder if Chiefs Planet was around back then, if there would've been Frank Gansz apologists?

[kcxiv]

I have said all along Herm isnt going anywhere until at least after the 09 season. I hope he's gone this year, but i dont see it.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

And I don't care if it was born out of necessity. Many great things in the NFL come about that way.

Me either. If it works it works. You still need a defense and we do not have that. If you can score, i dont care how you score, but you have to play defense, bring a rock solid Defense and you have a chance to do great things in the season.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

I have said all along Herm isnt going anywhere until at least after the 09 season. I hope he's gone this year, but i dont see it.

A new Gm is not keeping a guy who just went 2-22, Herm knows this, he's already calling the team "they".

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

I have said all along Herm isnt going anywhere until at least after the 09 season. I hope he's gone this year, but i dont see it.

Like Carl completing the entirety of his contract? Herm and Carl are attached at the hip, many have said that including some kcchiefs.com's own writers. If one goes down the other will get fired too.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Mecca

A new Gm is not keeping a guy who just went 2-22, Herm knows this, he's already calling the team "they".

Correct... the only way Herm is staying is if Clark Hunt madates that any GM who comes in has to keep Herm... Clark hasn't said that.

Herm tried to rebuild a franchise without first solidifying the foundation which is the QB, the offensive and defensive lines. That will be his ultimate nail in the coffin.

[Mecca]

He tried with the defensive line and ****ed up.

[boogblaster]

Herm's check is already written ... Bonus and expences paid ... Hope the tears don't blind him from finding the bus door ....

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Brock

I don't care who the players like or want as a coach. The Giants used to hate Tom Coughlin, until he made them into superstars who never have to pay for another meal in NY.

Exactly.
I could care less how much the players like the club herm atmosphere.
Its like on the job if someone has a cushy boss, if a real go getter takes his place then people actually have to work hard.

[Bowser]

It bears repeating - no GM worth a damn likely getting his first shot at the position is going to keep a coach that has gone 15-47 over the past three seasons, "deeply respected" or not.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

They changed the offense because it wasn't working. Which still doesn't give any credence to your idea that they would change it back in spite of it's success.

And it doesn't matter when you think the season was lost. I strongly disagree that the team shared that idea. Regardless, that still doesn't change the fact that they changed from something that wasn't working, to something that works much much better. The head coach isn't going to switch back to a failed offense because he hates TDs. You can still hate Herm, but concentrate on things he's actually done instead of what your hatred tells you he might do........

He's done. He went from bad to worse in 3 years. Here's a lollipop to help you get over it.