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Old 12-23-2008, 11:38 PM   #1
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We weren't just a franchise that got old. At one stretch, we had the oldest starting lineup in the NFL. So many franchises got old, but we were the oldest.

We weren't the only franchise to rebuild. But we were probably the only franchise to have less than a 10% success rate in drafting (starter and backup). So many franchises struggled in the draft, but we were probably the worst.

On age and draft success alone, you'd be hard-pressed to find many teams who were worse.

On age and draft success combined, you'd be very, very, very hard-pressed to find many teams who were worse.

You can keep trying to make a case about how the Chiefs' situation was like something most teams have endured, but it's not a very good one. The Chiefs got older than any other franchise and were probably the worst in the league at bringing in young talent to replace them. When you're the worst at both, that makes it doubly worse.
Fair enough, but we are not getting better or more talented after 3 drafts...

Honestly, if this team is going to succeed in the future, Carl is already gone, and Herm HAS to go, a long with his staff...

There hasnt been a better time in the last 20 years to dump the whole ****ing thing and start fresh with a new approach to building a franchise/championship team..

Keeping Herm is a slap in the face to the fans and especially the STH's.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:49 PM   #2
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Fair enough, but we are not getting better or more talented after 3 drafts...

Honestly, if this team is going to succeed in the future, Carl is already gone, and Herm HAS to go, a long with his staff...

There hasnt been a better time in the last 20 years to dump the whole ****ing thing and start fresh with a new approach to building a franchise/championship team..

Keeping Herm is a slap in the face to the fans and especially the STH's.
I have said many times that the decision to keep/can Herm should be up to the new GM and I support whichever decision he makes. Even if that means firing Herm, which I think is inevitable.

I never thought Herm was a Super Bowl coach. And I never wanted him beyond 2009 unless he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he could take this team deep. I don't have any problem with him getting fired. But the man is being shit on in every direction and a lot of it is for stuff that he had no control over.

I'm just saying... when we play the blame game, let's not blame Herm for stuff Peterson screwed up, or blame Peterson for stuff Herm screwed up. This team has had 6 wins in 2 seasons, and for some reason, the critics will all have you believe that Herm is 100% responsible for that.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:52 PM   #3
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I have said many times that the decision to keep/can Herm should be up to the new GM and I support whichever decision he makes. Even if that means firing Herm, which I think is inevitable.

I never thought Herm was a Super Bowl coach. And I never wanted him beyond 2009 unless he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he could take this team deep. I don't have any problem with him getting fired. But the man is being shit on in every direction and a lot of it is for stuff that he had no control over.

I'm just saying... when we play the blame game, let's not blame Herm for stuff Peterson screwed up, or blame Peterson for stuff Herm screwed up. This team has had 6 wins in 2 seasons, and for some reason, the critics will all have you believe that Herm is 100% responsible for that.
No you cant blame just one party, that I agree with... It took BOTH Herm and Carl to create this mess... Therefore, BOTH should be removed... Carl for some decisions and Herm for not being able to develop those players and for not forcing Carl to address the OL... Turley and Welborne for example...
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:57 PM   #4
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No you cant blame just one party, that I agree with... It took BOTH Herm and Carl to create this mess... Therefore, BOTH should be removed... Carl for some decisions and Herm for not being able to develop those players and for not forcing Carl to address the OL... Turley and Welborne for example...
And that's fine. Not to mention committing to Brodie Croyle.

I'm fine with all that (even though people say I'm a Herm homer, for some reason).

But there are plenty (not you) that will pretend that 100% of the problems in KC are due to Herm Edwards. I think there's strong evidence to suggest that with the team Carl handed over in 2006, with reports that he was the one holding back the rebuild, it's most likely that he's about 75% responsible and Herm 25% responsible.

That's still 25% too much. But it at least takes away the notion that Herm is responsible for everything wrong in KC right now.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:02 AM   #5
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That's still 25% too much. But it at least takes away the notion that Herm is responsible for everything wrong in KC right now.
No but when your fan base thinks it was one of the worse possible good ol boy hires and when he comes in and bashes what was left of our prized offense, it pissed people off...

His bold brash style of running his man pleaser about the circus offense and he was going to fix the defense, because he knew he could? Well that didnt set well with some...

I for one have been a Herm basher since the day he was hired. I never liked his style in NYJ and he has been atrocious here on gamedays...

I will be thrilled when he is gone and the last of Carl's regein of Terror is over...
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Old 12-25-2008, 05:03 AM   #6
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Fair enough, but we are not getting better or more talented after 3 drafts...

Honestly, if this team is going to succeed in the future, Carl is already gone, and Herm HAS to go, a long with his staff...

There hasnt been a better time in the last 20 years to dump the whole ****ing thing and start fresh with a new approach to building a franchise/championship team..

Keeping Herm is a slap in the face to the fans and especially the STH's.
zilla makes a lot of valid points, but the fact is that Herman ****ing Edwards is the worst coach in the league.

He didn't screw this team up with his personnel decisions.

He screwed it up with his game day decsions.
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