What Clark has created by NOT firing Herm immediately...

[FloridaMan88]

UNCERTAINTY...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/957115.html


Uncertainty hangs over the Chiefs
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The typical last-day-of-school scenes played out at the Chiefs’ Truman Sports Complex practice facility Monday. Players said their goodbyes and walked out for the season carrying black trash bags loaded with their belongings.

Each year, the tableaus carry an overwhelming sense of finality. This year, there’s also the awareness that they could eventually return to a very different world.

The next time the Chiefs convene as a group, sometime in March or April, they will have a new general manager — and perhaps a new coach. That means uncertainty for all, even players who are sure of having a job next season.

One is safety Jarrad Page. One of the Chiefs’ better defensive players, Page has known only one head coach, defensive coordinator and secondary coach in his three NFL seasons.

When he’s back in the spring, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham and David Gibbs could be working elsewhere.

“I try not to think about it,” Page said. “So many scenarios can go through your head. Who could it be in the end? What kind of guy would it be? I don’t know.

“I feel I can work with people. Whatever decision is made, I’ll be fine and I feel this team will be fine. I won’t figure out how I’m going to deal with it until I figure out what the situation is.

“I don’t think players are getting too stressed out about it. Whatever’s going to happen is going to happen.”

Edwards and his staff still had their jobs Monday. They most likely will at least until chairman Clark Hunt hires a new general manager to replace the departed Carl Peterson. The two will then decide whether Edwards will be retained.

Until then, Edwards is going about his business, but he acknowledged during Monday’s occasionally awkward season-ending news conference that some of the business he might normally tend to at this point is off-limits because of his tenuous situation.

Edwards might like to make changes on his staff, particularly the defensive assistants, but that apparently will have to wait.

“I’m not free to do anything except evaluate our players until we find out who the GM is and he comes in and decides what he’s going to do,” Edwards said. “We’re going to continue to evaluate our players.”

That state of limbo has Edwards in an uncomfortable position.

Edwards said he wants to finish what he’s started with the Chiefs but won’t promote himself to Hunt or the next general manager.

“I’m not one to try and build cases,” Edwards said. “I let my work speak for itself, and that’s the bottom line. I’m not big on promoting Herman Edwards. I never have been, and I’m not going to start now. I’ve been in this business too long. I’ve tried to do things the right way. I’ve tried to do the thing right for this organization and this football team. I know it was the right thing to do. You do the right things for the right reasons. You don’t do them (for personal reasons).

“I’m pretty sure when there’s a new GM, he’s going to know who I am, unless he’s not an American. I’ve been in this business 30 years. What do I have to do? He’s got to make a decision what he wants to do. He’s got to look at it and say, ‘Is this guy the right guy?’ If he’s not, that’s OK. That’s his decision and I’m OK with that.”

Whether the Chiefs are coached by Edwards or someone else, they’ve got some work to do filling in holes on their roster. The Chiefs could use a pass-rushing defensive end and a couple of linebackers. The offensive line needs some work, and the Chiefs, as always, are looking for a franchise quarterback.

“On defense, I think three (players), four maybe,” Edwards said, when asked how many new starters the Chiefs need. “On offense, you probably need two and then you’re pretty good. The rest of the team is going to be back, 85 percent of these kids are going to come back and they’re going to have experience.

“There are still some pieces missing. That will be corrected in the draft and some in free-agency. This team going through this has a lot of money under the cap. That’s part of the process, too, when you’re trying to rebuild.”

Roster turnover won’t be as great as last year, when the Chiefs lopped several starters after a 4-12 season. It was clear changes then were coming, but they were obvious and didn’t involve the front office.

This time, the way the Chiefs are doing business will change.

“When you make changes in the front office, there’s a lot of things that are unknown,” said cornerback Patrick Surtain, who has likely played his last game with the Chiefs. “Guys can bring in their own people, and nobody knows what that means for any of us. The young guys, the draft picks, they’re safe. The rest of us, you can just hope things work out.”

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

It's not a new stadium, they're just renovating the old one. I think it's supposed to be done in 2010.

Ok... but they still need fans to fill it.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Ok... but they still need fans to fill it.

Indeed.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=252

All of your reasons are BS.

If you give any coach that many draft picks, he's going to pluck a lot of young talent.

Why didn't Herm turn it over to Chan from day 1? Good coaches realize how inept they are in one area and allow other people to coach the area they are weak in- like Cameron in Baltimore and Mularkey in Atlanta.

Any coach was coming in here and seeing the age of the roster. You think this makes him a good coach? It means he's not blind. Anyone can start a youth movement. Getting 2 wins out of that youth movement shows me how awful he is. Rod Marinelli won 0 games with a young team, and he took FULL responsibility for the failure. Herm Edwards wins 2 games and he says the entire staff is back and he grades himself a C.

This "motiviated" team was still 2-14. When you have a ton of young players, they are going to play hard every week regardless of who the coach is because they are always playing for that second contract. I don't attribute this to Herm at all.

Herm's shoddy record helped get rid of Carl. I guess I can thank him for sucking so bad that Carl had to go.

Herm Edwards is a glorified defensive backs coach. He's not a good head coach by any stretch of the imagination no matter how much you have to stretch to find reasons.

Good coaches find ways to win more than 2 games out of 25.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

can we just stop with the name calling and how I must be stupid because I too believe Herm has done a good job, with what he had, what he's finally getting accomplished?

I view it from a more internal success, I see the games and see the improvements being made. I see that it's not just about the win loss record for saying what I say.

What improvements? What is he getting accomplished? You people talk like he's Mike Smith. What exactly do we have with this team? We have no defensive ends, 1 linebacker, no right side of the line, average safeties, a one-dimensional QB, a disgruntled RB, a questionable second receiver.

It's mind-blowing to me the standards some of you have.

The NFL is all about wins and loses. You want to tell me he's lost x amount of games by 7 or less points? I say that's a sign of bad coaching. Bad teams find ways to lose.

I'm sorry, if you think he's making improvements and he's good, then you have drank way, way too much of the kool-aid for far too long.

[WilliamTheIrish]

The state of limbo has Edwards in an uncomfortable position.

Of course he's uncomfortable. That's to be expected. But if he's a professional, he'll continue to work and move forward. Herm will have no problem getting a job nor will he have a problem collecting 3mil$ while waiting around.

[Chiefnj2]

Herm's been rebuilding the defense in his own image for 3 years.

The defense this year made Greg Robinson's D's look good. 28th in passing yards, 30th in rushing ypc, 30th in rushing yards, an NFL record low of sacks, and I believe a team high in points given up with 440.

Three years with a full compliment of draft picks each year is more than enough time to build a defense. Herm has failed in KC.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

All of your reasons are BS.

If you give any coach that many draft picks, he's going to pluck a lot of young talent.

Why didn't Herm turn it over to Chan from day 1? Good coaches realize how inept they are in one area and allow other people to coach the area they are weak in- like Cameron in Baltimore and Mularkey in Atlanta.

Any coach was coming in here and seeing the age of the roster. You think this makes him a good coach? It means he's not blind. Anyone can start a youth movement. Getting 2 wins out of that youth movement shows me how awful he is. Rod Marinelli won 0 games with a young team, and he took FULL responsibility for the failure. Herm Edwards wins 2 games and he says the entire staff is back and he grades himself a C.

This "motiviated" team was still 2-14. When you have a ton of young players, they are going to play hard every week regardless of who the coach is because they are always playing for that second contract. I don't attribute this to Herm at all.

Herm's shoddy record helped get rid of Carl. I guess I can thank him for sucking so bad that Carl had to go.

Herm Edwards is a glorified defensive backs coach. He's not a good head coach by any stretch of the imagination no matter how much you have to stretch to find reasons.

Good coaches find ways to win more than 2 games out of 25.

Oh, ok - you convienced me.
Hey you asked for reasons why I think what I think, you got an answer. If you don't like it, oh well. I guess I just see the team/games/players/coaches differently than you do. Can we all drop this stupid arguement now? It's like a twighlight episode, lost in time, stuck in space, saying the same things over and over and over and over.....

Oh and if Herm goes (again with this disclaimer too, before I get fireballed) I am not going to be butt hurt.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Claythan

He would have just given some vague bullshit answer or acted all arrogant about not wanting to let other teams' know their draft strategies.

But he is completely delusional for thinking this team is that close.

Of course he wants all the wonderdummies back on the coaching staff.

Whee!!

Originally Posted by smittysbar

I agree, and the guys on 810 were basically saying the same thing in a round about way, trying not to make Petro look bad.

That guy is such a ****ing douche; Carl get's shit-canned and all of a sudden wouldn't 'ya know it: Petro grows a quasi-set.

Originally Posted by Guru

That has to be hard.

See Above.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Anyone who thinks Herm Edwards is a good coach is ****ing dillusional.

I just don't understand how you can say a guy is a good HC when he has won just 2 games out of his last 25. He has a 15-33 record here. The defense he was fixing is at the bottom of the league.

I just don't know where the label of "good" is coming from.

Have our standards been neutered so bad that a coach that isn't good in any area is considered good? I'm just massively confused at the thought process.

Court Adjourned.

[blueballs]

Herm is gone let him twist in the wind
letting Carl go a year early and keeping Herm doesn't make sense

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by blueballs

Herm is gone let him twist in the wind
letting Carl go a year early and keeping Herm doesn't make sense

Keeping Dictator Carl after last season just because he "works well with Herm" even though the two apparently clashed over how to rebuild the franchise didn't make sense either yet Clark did it anyway.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

5-7 players total? That's gonna make the jump from 2-14 to 10-6? He's clueless.

Well...yes and no. He's clueless if he thinks that's all it takes for HIM and HIS staff to make a run. However, I think another coach and staff could be less than 5 players away from a serious run.

Herm would need the 90's Cowboys to make a run at this point...similar to what Barry Switzer walked into...but like Switzer, Herm would eventually screw it up.

[blueballs]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Keeping Dictator Carl after last season just because he "works well with Herm" even though the two apparently clashed over how to rebuild the franchise didn't make sense either yet Clark did it anyway.

Think of it as a service to the other NFL teams
Herm is kept from getting another job unless
there is a death or firing in Detriot or St Louis

[Mr. Laz]

as long as he is actively searching for a new GM who gives a shit whether Herm is hanging around the locker room or not?

[Chiefnj2]

They usually fire everyone as a courtesy so they can start looking for jobs.

[Brock]

Herm's staying.