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Old 12-30-2008, 04:19 PM  
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:56 PM   #166
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The whole argument of separating the coach and the QB does not make sense...what would Belichek be without Brady? (he did not even make the playoffs)..come on - that argument just can't be made in most cases where a HC has won all their SB's with one QB - which is MOST of them....
how many 11-5 teams don't make the playoffs? yes, they were not as good as last year, and they are for sure not the best team without him, but its not like they went 2-14.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:56 PM   #167
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The whole argument of separating the coach and the QB does not make sense...what would Belichek be without Brady? (he did not even make the playoffs)..come on - that argument just can't be made in most cases where a HC has won all their SB's with one QB - which is MOST of them....
well everyone points to Belichick and Cleveland...but he was well on his way until that franchise up and moved to Baltimore...then he was put in a position to fail.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:57 PM   #168
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See...this guy has bought into the legend of Bill Cowher as well...

The guy is a good football coach...but before that Super Bowl Pitt fans were calling for his head on a year to year basis...especially during the whole Kordell Stewart/Tommy Maddox run...Cowher lucked into Big Ben and that's that...

Now everyone thinks he's a top 3 football coach and that was never the case...

If Denver signs Bill Belichick, then color me worried...but the mere presence of Cowher with their current roster doesn't really scare me.
The only thing I don't like about these comments is everyone makes them, but they're really full of crap. Anytime anybody finds a good QB or really good player, they "lucked" into them. Except for guys like Belichick.

And Belichick is the one who "lucked" into the greatest 6th round pick in NFL history. Shanahan probably "lucked" one of the greatest 6th round running backs in NFL history. But apparently Cowher was held hostage at gunpoint and "lucked" into the 11th pick in the draft. Yeah right. I personally don't think I'd rank Cowher ahead of Belichick or maybe even Shanahan, but this "lucked out" garbage to defend your opinion is a bunch of crap. Especially when you're talking about a top 15 draft selection. There aren't too many teams that win a Super Bowl that don't catch a lucky break here and there.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:57 PM   #169
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Wouldn't that be a dream come true. Get rid of the stiff and hang him on the donks!
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:57 PM   #170
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I don't know...Vermeil put together GREAT offenses...Shanahan hasn't had a great offense...really ever.

We had a championship caliber football team TWICE during the Vermeil era...2003 and 2005 (didn't make the playoffs in 2005 but I STILL believe we were the best team on paper...things just didn't fall our way)...

If we got Vermeil when he was 50...he would have been an outstanding coach and I guarantee we would have won a Super Bowl during his tenure. It wasn't just luck that he put together that Rams team...he did the same thing in KC but the defense came up short...that dude was a football mastermind that could at least admit mistakes.
Yes, I know Vermeil put GREAT offenses. Shanahan's offense wasn't up to Vermeil's offense style point, but they did the job done one way or another.

I wouldn't guarentee on the Vermeil issue, since the Lambs had one of the terrible defenses during his time in St. Louis. That's when management finally told him that either you can quit, or you can stay on, but we will hire the defensive coordinator for the job.

I mean, Vermeil did bring in Greg ****ing Robinson, for goodness sakes.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:57 PM   #171
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:57 PM   #172
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Actually, I think Shannarat having personnel powers in Dungver was his undoing. Bring him to KC with a competent GM and I'd be ecstatic.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:58 PM   #173
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:58 PM   #174
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Herm is sitting in his office preping his GM resume for the donks
Now THAT'S the best reply I've seen in this thread so far!


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It would be poetic justice if they went after Carl and or Herm/Gun
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Wellll we have an 8-8 team as the division winner. We all suck.
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