Bradford Please

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Montana's arm and Jake Plummer's head. I don't see it.

Stafford = Ryan Leaf's composure and Todd Marinovich's resume.

See, I can make baseless comparisons too.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Stafford = Ryan Leaf's composure and Todd Marinovich's resume.

See, I can make baseless comparisons too.

At least mine was based in observables.

Does Bradford have a good enough arm to make it to the HOF? Yes, with a great football brain. Does he have a great arm that you are going to write about all day? And can that arm be the basis on which you build an NFL career, ala Elway?

Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Does he have great mechanics?

Brandford has great accuracy. And that is huge. But I don't think that alone is enough to build an NFL career.

Watch his play. Ignore his statistics other than completion percentage (which I believe translates from the college game to the pros). Ignore the wins and losses. His understanding of offense is pretty limited compared to Montana, P. Manning, Brady, Jaws, etc. And he doesn't have the physical tools that Elway, Favre, Marino, etc had. He lacks the a critical number of traits that you can build on. Upper end = a little better than Chad Pennington. That is my call.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Does he have great mechanics?

Brandford has great accuracy. And that is huge. But I don't think that alone is enough to build an NFL career.

Wait, so is there a single spread QB in the game with any football savvy? His system requires he look over to the sideline, that hardly means he doesn't have a feel for the game. And looking over to the sideline is no different than listening to the headseat in the pros. When the play is in motion, he makes quick, accurate decisions. I saw a ton of football savvy in the kid over the course of the season. You're also equating inexperience with inability and that's wholly unfair. Nothing negative has ever been said about the guy when it comes to his aptitude.

And his mechanics are actually pretty sound save the throwing motion. Yet another way he reminds me of Rivers.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by cdcox
Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Does he have great mechanics?

Brandford has great accuracy. And that is huge. But I don't think that alone is enough to build an NFL career.

He looks over to the sideline because the plays are called from the sideline. They run a no huddle. How many QB's do you see calling their own plays from a no huddle in college? It doesn't mean he can't do it he is just running the system the way the coaching staff wants him too. The kid is smart and manages the offense well. I don't think his football savy is a reason to doubt him at all.

He can also learn to play under center but will need an Oline that can protect him. Most NFL QBs need that though.

They jury is out on all three of these guys no matter how hard your dick is for one of them and how much you doubt another.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by okcchief

They jury is out on all three of these guys no matter how hard your dick is for one of them and how much you doubt another.

this is the conclusion i've come to. i'm pretty content to see how the dice roll, and just hope for the best with who ever the chiefs choose to be QBOTF. i'm glad i don't have to make the choice.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

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Nobody knows. You don't know if he has a strong feel for the game, or if he can call plays himself because the system does not allow him to do it. Is it because he can't handle it, or because the coaches have huge egos and want to maintain control? A combination of both? We don't know.

At the end of the day he has more to learn right now than Sanchez or Stafford. Realistically, even with the ability to call audibles in college, Sanchez isn't likely going to be given the power to do it his first year in the NFL. No coach is going to give a rookie with one year of starting experience the responsibility of calling plays. They are in over their heads as it is.

It's a slow process. That's why when you look back at Ryan, Flacco and Thigpen this past year you see that when asked to throw a lot the guys make mistakes and their stats go down.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line.

That has to be one of the dumbest critiques I've seen in some time. The coach has installed a system where the offense lines up, then a whole cadre of assistants relay signals from the sidelines regarding adjustments the staff wants based on how the D lines up against them. It's Bradford's JOB under this system to take in all those signals and update the offense. It's what he's SUPPOSED to do. And you spin it like he's some lost child looking to the sideline for his binky.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That has to be one of the dumbest critiques I've seen in some time. The coach has installed a system where the offense lines up, then a whole cadre of assistants relay signals from the sidelines regarding adjustments the staff wants based on how the D lines up against them. It's Bradford's JOB under this system to take in all those signals and update the offense. It's what he's SUPPOSED to do. And you spin it like he's some lost child looking to the sideline for his binky.

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[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That has to be one of the dumbest critiques I've seen in some time. The coach has installed a system where the offense lines up, then a whole cadre of assistants relay signals from the sidelines regarding adjustments the staff wants based on how the D lines up against them. It's Bradford's JOB under this system to take in all those signals and update the offense. It's what he's SUPPOSED to do. And you spin it like he's some lost child looking to the sideline for his binky.

NFL QB need to be able to get a good pre-snap read on a defense. It is one of the things you look for in a college prospect. He essentially has zero training in that. He's 4 years behind the prospects who have that experience. And even with 4 years experience doing pre-snap reads in college, rookies are going to be pretty rough.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by cdcox

NFL QB need to be able to get a good pre-snap read on a defense. It is one of the things you look for in a college prospect. He essentially has zero training in that. He's 4 years behind the prospects who have that experience. And even with 4 years experience doing pre-snap reads in college, rookies are going to be pretty rough.

It appears that Sanchez and Stafford would be far ahead of these spread guys in that regard.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by cdcox

NFL QB need to be able to get a good pre-snap read on a defense. It is one of the things you look for in a college prospect. He essentially has zero training in that. He's 4 years behind the prospects who have that experience. And even with 4 years experience doing pre-snap reads in college, rookies are going to be pretty rough.

It might be a question about him imposed by the system, but it's not a failure of his making.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

It might be a question about him imposed by the system, but it's not a failure of his making.

agree... but he will not hit the ground running in the NFL. A team that chooses him will have to be patient and develop him. I think he will be successful but not right away.

The Chiefs have always sucked at developing a QB.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

agree... but he will not hit the ground running in the NFL. A team that chooses him will have to be patient and develop him. I think he will be successful but not right away.

The Chiefs have always sucked at developing a QB.

Which is part of the reason he should go back to school. The only QB who has a chance to play from the get go, IMO, is Stafford because he's played a few years.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

agree... but he will not hit the ground running in the NFL. A team that chooses him will have to be patient and develop him. I think he will be successful but not right away.

The Chiefs have always sucked at developing a QB.

I don't see how any QB is going to "hit the ground running" in the NFL. It's a different game, different speed and surrounded by more talent on both sides of the ball on game day than any QB is used to, I don't care what kind of college offense they run.

"NFL" style of offense - WTF does that mean? a good 75% of your team will never be on an NFL roster the other 25% may not be on one for more than a couple years, and somehow Stafford is ready to start and need little to no grooming? He's that much more prepared? I call BS.

The learning curve starts over in the NFL, all the stats, scores, records are reset. He who has talent, heart, desire, and the will to learn and win will prevail. And I see why Stafford is high on the leader board, but to be disappointed if we end up with Bradford is stupid....