Chiefs Dorsey in the 3-4. - Page 4

Direckshun · 01-13-2009, 06:35 PM

Is it even remotely possible?

A couple speculations out there are that Pioli wants to gravitate towards the 3-4 with our defense.

I think whatever determinations you make about our defense have to be tied into what Dorsey, by far our most expensive defensive player (Surtain about to be released), is capable of.

I think it's pretty clear Dorsey's not NT material, but might he get by as a 3-4 DE?

What are your thoughts?

Direckshun · 01-13-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

So what's his trade value? Could we get a late first rounder for him?

I'm thinking he's a 2nd right now.

xbarretx · 01-13-2009, 08:29 PM

were NOT trading Dorsey. sweet jesus, there are some serious fair weather's on this board.

you guys think that one guy one a crap defense can make them good. a lack of sacks wasnt Glenn's fault. he took the double teams .... its not his fault our ends run like molasses going uphill.

p.s. IDC if that makes me a homer.

ill drink to the i told you so's once we get better coaching and actually use him to his strengths.

SPATCH · 01-13-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

This has been troubling me all day and I've come up with nothing. He would be undersized at any 3-4 line spot.

Seems like Spags and Schwartz are 4-3 guys anyway.

exactly what i was thinking.... if spag is actually coming, i'm pretty damn sure we'll be 4-3 (which i think would be for the best)

aturnis · 01-13-2009, 08:30 PM

I dunno, maybe this is why they played Dorsey head up on a lineman all year. Sure they were setting him up for failure, but they may have been seeing if he was capable of playing a full season as a 3-4 DE.

I'm sure Gun NEVER wanted to run the cover 2. It's not his style, Gun like to be aggressive.

**cdcox** · 01-13-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm thinking he's a 2nd right now.

So you think he's lost 2/3rds to 3/4ths of his value since draft day? That's a pretty steep discount for a guy that has only played one year with bad coaching and in the wrong role.

xbarretx · 01-13-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I dunno, maybe this is why they played Dorsey head up on a lineman all year. Sure they were setting him up for failure, but they may have been seeing if he was capable of playing a full season as a 3-4 DE.

I'm sure Gun NEVER wanted to run the cover 2. It's not his style, Gun like to be aggressive.

QFT

smittysbar · 01-13-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xbarretx

were NOT trading Dorsey. sweet jesus, there are some serious fair weather's on this board.

you guys think that one guy one a crap defense can make them good. a lack of sacks wasnt Glenn's fault. he took the double teams .... its not his fault our ends run like molasses going uphill.

p.s. IDC if that makes me a homer.

ill drink to the i told you so's once we get better coaching and actually use him to his strengths.

You might want to go back over some game film. He wasn't doubled all that much, for good reason, they didn't have to.

**petegz28** · 01-13-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I dunno, maybe this is why they played Dorsey head up on a lineman all year. Sure they were setting him up for failure, but they may have been seeing if he was capable of playing a full season as a 3-4 DE.

I'm sure Gun NEVER wanted to run the cover 2. It's not his style, Gun like to be aggressive.

That is pretty ignorant of a coaching staff to set up a rookie for failure. Good way to ruin an otherwise perfectly good lineman.

**cdcox** · 01-13-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xbarretx

were NOT trading Dorsey. sweet jesus, there are some serious fair weather's on this board.

you guys think that one guy one a crap defense can make them good. a lack of sacks wasnt Glenn's fault. he took the double teams .... its not his fault our ends run like molasses going uphill.

p.s. IDC if that makes me a homer.

ill drink to the i told you so's once we get better coaching and actually use him to his strengths.

I haven't given up on Dorsey at all. But if we go to a 3-4, you have to ask the question of whether he has more value in a trade or more value possibly playing out of position.

If we stick with the 4-3, I'm just as high on Dorsey as I always was.

Direckshun · 01-13-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

So you think he's lost 2/3rds to 3/4ths of his value since draft day? That's a pretty steep discount for a guy that has only played one year with bad coaching and in the wrong role.

I agree.

There's an outside chance some team with nothing to lose might float a late first our way.

But for the most part, most teams are simply going to see Dorsey as too small (even though I think he's fine) and not strong enough to warrant a 1st.

He has a shitload of potential, so if the Chiefs are smart they'll make it a conditional. And of course, he has a decade of a career ahead of him. Absolutely nobody knows what he could become, and Carl's record with high round DTs sucks ass.

That's why you hate to trade young players this young into their contract. Most teams don't like what they've seen in Dorsey, and Carl's record is too spotty to warrant a 1st. A 2nd is more dispensible.

Basileus777 · 01-13-2009, 08:38 PM

Anyone seriously entertaining trading Dorsey needs to

.

xbarretx · 01-13-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I haven't given up on Dorsey at all. But if we go to a 3-4, you have to ask the question of whether he has more value in a trade or more value possibly playing out of position.

If we stick with the 4-3, I'm just as high on Dorsey as I always was.

cdcox, i can live with that. i jsut cant stand the bust talk. was his season spectacular....no but was he bad enough to cut him regardless of his draft position..heck no.

**cdcox** · 01-13-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

But for the most part, most teams are simply going to see Dorsey as too small (even though I think he's fine) and not strong enough to warrant a 1st.

That part is just crazy. He was rated as one of the top college players on every single draft board a year ago. Every one knew what his size and strength were.

xbarretx · 01-13-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Anyone seriously entertaining trading Dorsey needs to

.

ill send the rep horse into your town Basileus

**cdcox** · 01-13-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Anyone seriously entertaining trading Dorsey needs to

.

If we carry over 8 players into 2012 (three years from now) I'll be shocked. Dorsey might be one of them. Right now, I'd only bet on Bowe, Albert, and Flowers.

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