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Old 01-13-2009, 06:35 PM  
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Dorsey in the 3-4.
Is it even remotely possible?

A couple speculations out there are that Pioli wants to gravitate towards the 3-4 with our defense.

I think whatever determinations you make about our defense have to be tied into what Dorsey, by far our most expensive defensive player (Surtain about to be released), is capable of.

I think it's pretty clear Dorsey's not NT material, but might he get by as a 3-4 DE?

What are your thoughts?
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:14 PM   #76
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Hard to talk about defense when we don't have a head coach, much less a DC.

Let's say we do go 3-4, theoretically. Dorsey doesn't have the size to play NT. He might work outside, similar to the way I've seen the Patriots use Seymour. Maybe Tank would fit the Wilfork role, I don't know.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:18 PM   #77
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Maybe, but Hali hasn't shown much lately ... He should be jellin' now but he's goin' the other way ... Maybe its his bad feet but he sure din't impress me anymore ...
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:19 PM   #78
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Maybe, but Hali hasn't shown much lately ... He should be jellin' now but he's goin' the other way ... Maybe its his bad feet but he sure din't impress me anymore ...
I think our entire defense was handicaped by the coaching staff. No way that many guys can suck that bad.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:22 PM   #79
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If we went to the 3-4, Dorsey would have to move to DE. Honestly? I wouldn't be against trying it.

But we have nobody on the roster who could play NT.

I was thinking we'd have to target that Cody guy from Alabama but I guess he's staying in school.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:26 PM   #80
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If we went to the 3-4, Dorsey would have to move to DE. Honestly? I wouldn't be against trying it.

But we have nobody on the roster who could play NT.

I was thinking we'd have to target that Cody guy from Alabama but I guess he's staying in school.
Sounds like Vonnie Holliday is going to be released, as is Tank Johnson.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:33 PM   #81
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Dorsey is way too short to be a 3-4 end.
It's possible, but I don't think height is nearly important as a 3-4 end as it is for a 4-3 end.

I think Dorsey would play decent as a 3-4 DE. No idea if he could transition to very good or great. Keep in mind that 3-4 DEs are more in the mold of tackles than they are DTs.

I can tell you one thing: Turk McBride is tailor-made for a 3-4 DE. Just throwing that out there right now.

I think it's very possible we bite the bullet and move to a 3-4 and gamble on whether Dorsey's the answer. Then again, if Steve Spagnuolo comes in, we might end up sticking in a 4-3.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:34 PM   #82
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If we went to the 3-4, Dorsey would have to move to DE. Honestly? I wouldn't be against trying it.

But we have nobody on the roster who could play NT.

I was thinking we'd have to target that Cody guy from Alabama but I guess he's staying in school.
Nose Tackles are hard to find. But keep in mind that if we go 4-3, we have to find 2 pass rushing DEs, both of which are very difficult to find.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:39 PM   #83
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I've long thought Turk would be a great candidate for DE in a 3-4.

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Old 01-13-2009, 11:13 PM   #84
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Thank you, I was beginning to think I was alone in that opinion
Do you at least acknowledge how unimportant that position is in that defense?

The 3-4 is all about the NT and the rush backers. No team in history would spend a top 5 pick on a 3-4 DE.
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:21 PM   #85
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Do you at least acknowledge how unimportant that position is in that defense?

The 3-4 is all about the NT and the rush backers. No team in history would spend a top 5 pick on a 3-4 DE.
Pick #5 is out of the question but pick #6 (Seymour) makes sense?

You and Mecca always with these rules....
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:27 PM   #86
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I have no idea whether Dorsey can be successful in the 3-4, but I do think Pioli will bring in the 3-4. It's part of the "NE system" and that is what Pioli intends to implement here.
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Pick #5 is out of the question but pick #6 (Seymour) makes sense?

You and Mecca always with these rules....
Interesting that our new GM is at least partially responsible for making that pick in 2001...
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Pick #5 is out of the question but pick #6 (Seymour) makes sense?

You and Mecca always with these rules....
I'm pretty sure Seymour started on the inside, but you are right about some of the people and all of their "rules".
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:32 PM   #89
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How high of a pick we spent on Dorsey is pretty much irrelevant now. He's on our roster and we should put him in a position to success regardless if that position was worth the pick. If Dorsey can play 3-4 DE and our coaching staff wants to play a 3-4, there's nothing wrong with having him play that position.

I doubt Dorsey can play DE in a 3-4 though.
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Pick #5 is out of the question but pick #6 (Seymour) makes sense?
Seymour was drafted (and played) as a tackle, if I remember correctly, he was later moved to end after they drafted Wilfork (and he may still play inside on certain downs for all I know, I haven't watched a lot of recent Patriot games). As I recall, he was a relatively dominant player at tackle, and a key to their early success.
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