Chiefs Blob Gretz: Herm deserves 2nd chance - Page 5

**dirk digler** · 01-14-2009, 10:22 AM

http://www.bobgretz.com/

So what about Herm?

Early Wednesday evening the Chiefs will introduce new GM Scott Pioli during a press conference at the team’s facilities. Pioli’s hiring was officially announced Tuesday evening by the club, as he steps into the football role held for the previous 20 years by Carl Peterson.

One of the first questions that will be fired at Clark Hunt and Pioli will be the status of head coach Herm Edwards. Throughout Tuesday evening, that was the new No. 1 question floating through the NFL grapevine now that Pioli is on board.

Assumptions have been made by national media types that the hiring of Pioli means that Edwards is out and a new head coach will be coming to Arrowhead. Some have speculated that New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is now the No. 1 candidate to join Pioli. Others believe the new head coach could be Pioli’s good friend, University of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz.

No GM should have a head coach handcuffed to him, and it’s doubtful that Hunt will do that Pioli. But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties. Remember, when Hunt announced the resignation of Peterson, he said he would decide on Edwards’ future, with input from his new GM.

Hunt has said he supports Edwards and the job he undertook in trying to rebuild the team. The Chiefs also made it clear in their annoucement Tuesday evening that Pioli “will have final say over all football operations … “ Obviously, the head coach is part of football operations.

Edwards deserves a chance to keep his job. Many of his decisions in the last year were based on the support he was receiving from Hunt. It’s safe to say that if the head coach had known he was going to be on shaky ground in the rebuilding process, he would have approached things in a different manner. Every move that Edwards made came with the belief that Hunt was in his corner.

And here’s a tidbit that a lot of people don’t know. One of the people in the league that pumped up Edwards during the long ‘08 season was New England head coach Bill Belichick. He encouraged Edwards in a pre-game meeting before the season opener between the teams. When the holiday season rolled around, Edwards received a Christmas card from Belichick, who expressed support for the manner in which he was rebuilding the Chiefs with a hand written inscription.

Remember, this was from Bill Belichick, who is not one of pro football’s happy-go-lucky, chatty, back slapping guys. That he twice took the time to encourage Edwards, who has no connection to him, is revealing. It’s a good bet that at some point in time, he and Pioli had discussions on what was happening in Kansas City.

And this might be stretching the point, but remember this as well: when he was coaching the New York Jets, Edwards knew the Patriots were filming the Jets sideline during the game. In fact, at one point Edwards waved at the cameraman. But unlike the coach who replaced him with the Jets, former Belichick protégé Eric Mangini, Edwards did not turn the Patriots in to league security.

Life is not always fair and no place is that more true than professional sports. It seems a long shot that Pioli will give Edwards the chance to finish the job. That will be unfair, because after suffering the pain of the ‘08 season, Edwards should get the opportunity to enjoy possible success in the coming season.

No matter what the decision, it figures to come quickly. If a change is going to be made, then Pioli needs to interview and lineup potential replacements. Next week is the Senior Bowl, what amounts to an annual NFL job fair. If a change is made, the Chiefs will be looking to fill a coaching staff. Should Edwards survive, expect changes in his coaching staff and he’ll need to find some new bodies.
This needs to be settled before everybody heads to Mobile.

It sounds like one Chiefs assistant coach may already be gone. Secondary coach David Gibbs has been in Houston talking with the Texans about moving there. His father, former Chiefs assistant coach Alex Gibbs is now coaching on Gary Kubiak’s staff.

What a lot of people don’t know is that when Gibbs joined the Chiefs in 2006 – leaving Auburn where he was defensive coordinator – he was offered the coordinator’s job by Kubiak. He could have gone to the Texans then, but Gibbs decided to honor his commitment to Edwards and Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.

chiefsngop · 01-14-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman

herm has had three chances. he had a chance in 2006, and his team choked on his incompetence in the playoffs. he had another chance in 2007, and he turned the team into a joke. in 2008, he had yet another chance for reasons unbeknownst to mankind, and turned the chiefs into one of the worst teams in all of sports.

teams like the jets and broncos fire their coaches when they win 8 or 9 games. yet the chiefs, who won 2 games, are sitting here with their thumbs up their asses.

i cannot fathom how anybody could possibly think he deserves another chance.

You cannot fathom it, because You have not been swallowing Carl's man juice year after year.

Bob Gretz is clear evidence that swallowing Carl's man juice has a side effect of making you an incompetent reerun.

**the Talking Can** · 01-14-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsngop

Gretz is the guy that was sitting in the hidden spider hole with Sadam Husein, telling him "don't worry it's not over" ......

"...they should let you stay president...."

FringeNC · 01-14-2009, 12:25 PM

A lot of you guys are classless and deranged.

RippedmyFlesh · 01-14-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Herm is a weasel and a virus that instills a losing attitude within your organization... I seriously doubt Pioli will surround himself with losers...

And if Pioli keeps Herm, then Pioli is nothing more than Carl redux and wont ever take this franchise anywhere...

The inspiration of my avatar.

Otter · 01-14-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Despite his reputation Belichick is a pretty classy guy. But just because he tried to cheer up Herm doesn't mean Herm deserves to or has a chance of keeping his job.

If you had to play Herm first game of the season what would you tell him?

**alpha_omega** · 01-14-2009, 12:34 PM

A Christmas card reference??? WTF kind of article is this???

chiefsngop · 01-14-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

A lot of you guys are classless and deranged.

Yep, but Clark is on our side.

**Dave Lane** · 01-14-2009, 12:38 PM

I have just the thing for herm...

keg in kc · 01-14-2009, 12:40 PM

There's nothing to be gained from not blowing the whole staff up.

shaneo69 · 01-14-2009, 12:41 PM

Gretz Quote: "But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties."

WTF? So Clark invited Herm to sit in on the Pioli interview and negotiations and then give his approval of Pioli. Okay. God forbid this organization ever has to fire anyone.

I like how Gretz spends the entire article repeating that it's doubtful that Pioli will keep Herm but then gives us all this supposedly inside information as to why Herm may get to stay. It's articles like these that make me want to bludgeon Gretz with a pitchfork.

Talking Can mentioned that Gretz must be a big fan of failure. I totally agree. All this guy does is promote ideas and people that are absolute failures. Then he goes to the HOF presentations and the first thing he mentions to the voters is why Derrick Thomas was a failure at being a run-stopper, but that he belongs in the HOF despite that.

fuck you, Gretz.

chiefsngop · 01-14-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Gretz Quote: "But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties."

WTF? So Clark invited Herm to sit in on the Pioli interview and negotiations and then give his approval of Pioli. Okay. God forbid this organization ever has to fire anyone.

I like how Gretz spends the entire article repeating that it's doubtful that Pioli will keep Herm but then gives us all this supposedly inside information as to why Herm may get to stay. It's articles like these that make me want to bludgeon Gretz with a pitchfork.

Talking Can mentioned that Gretz must be a big fan of failure. I totally agree. All this guy does is promote ideas and people that are absolute failures. Then he goes to the HOF presentations and the first thing he mentions to the voters is why Derrick Thomas was a failure at being a run-stopper, but that he belongs in the HOF despite that.

fuck you, Gretz.

Herm being there was a negotiating tool for Clark.

He wanted Pioli to know just how much of a "clean slate" he'd be working with in Kansas City.

**Bowser** · 01-14-2009, 12:44 PM

I'll consider it only after Rufus Dawes has told me to.

RedThat · 01-14-2009, 12:51 PM

Hey Gretz,

Herm already got 2 chances. One with the Jets and one with the Chiefs.

Guess what? He brought both franchises into the pits and made them losers. What else more does he need to prove? A 3rd chance?

donkhater · 01-14-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Other than being a bad coach, there are a few reasons Herm staying would be very problematic:

1) He's lame duck, so you'd almost have to give him an extension for him to be credible as a coach. No way Pioli does that.

2) He's all about the cover-2. We're not going to be a cover-2 team anymore. How would that work?

Point #1 is exactly right. Pioli MUST decide Edwards is the dog he wants to hunt with. If he brings him back he HAS to give him a contract extension. Why?
If he doesn't and:

---KC gets off to a bad start (again), Herm is the definition of a lame duck and may even get the axe mid-season. Players are unlikely to play for a coach in that situation.

---KC actually improves and makes the playoffs. Now what? Do you re-sign him? Fire him after getting to the playoffs. No.

So it is quite simple. If Herm isn't let go, then he will be with the team a long time.

milkman · 01-14-2009, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

Gretz Quote: "But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties."

WTF? So Clark invited Herm to sit in on the Pioli interview and negotiations and then give his approval of Pioli. Okay. God forbid this organization ever has to fire anyone.

I like how Gretz spends the entire article repeating that it's doubtful that Pioli will keep Herm but then gives us all this supposedly inside information as to why Herm may get to stay. It's articles like these that make me want to bludgeon Gretz with a pitchfork.

Talking Can mentioned that Gretz must be a big fan of failure. I totally agree. All this guy does is promote ideas and people that are absolute failures. Then he goes to the HOF presentations and the first thing he mentions to the voters is why Derrick Thomas was a failure at being a run-stopper, but that he belongs in the HOF despite that.

fuck you, Gretz.

I believe what Gretz mean't to say was the Herman ****ing Edwards was a subject in the discussions between Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli.

I believe that portion of the discussion went something like this:

Clark, "So what are your thoughts on our current coach in KC?"

SP, "What was Carl on when he traded a draft pick for that dumbass?".

01-14-2009, 10:22 AM
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $104644	Blob Gretz: Herm deserves 2nd chance http://www.bobgretz.com/ So what about Herm? Early Wednesday evening the Chiefs will introduce new GM Scott Pioli during a press conference at the team’s facilities. Pioli’s hiring was officially announced Tuesday evening by the club, as he steps into the football role held for the previous 20 years by Carl Peterson. One of the first questions that will be fired at Clark Hunt and Pioli will be the status of head coach Herm Edwards. Throughout Tuesday evening, that was the new No. 1 question floating through the NFL grapevine now that Pioli is on board. Assumptions have been made by national media types that the hiring of Pioli means that Edwards is out and a new head coach will be coming to Arrowhead. Some have speculated that New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is now the No. 1 candidate to join Pioli. Others believe the new head coach could be Pioli’s good friend, University of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz. No GM should have a head coach handcuffed to him, and it’s doubtful that Hunt will do that Pioli. But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties. Remember, when Hunt announced the resignation of Peterson, he said he would decide on Edwards’ future, with input from his new GM. Hunt has said he supports Edwards and the job he undertook in trying to rebuild the team. The Chiefs also made it clear in their annoucement Tuesday evening that Pioli “will have final say over all football operations … “ Obviously, the head coach is part of football operations. Edwards deserves a chance to keep his job. Many of his decisions in the last year were based on the support he was receiving from Hunt. It’s safe to say that if the head coach had known he was going to be on shaky ground in the rebuilding process, he would have approached things in a different manner. Every move that Edwards made came with the belief that Hunt was in his corner. And here’s a tidbit that a lot of people don’t know. One of the people in the league that pumped up Edwards during the long ‘08 season was New England head coach Bill Belichick. He encouraged Edwards in a pre-game meeting before the season opener between the teams. When the holiday season rolled around, Edwards received a Christmas card from Belichick, who expressed support for the manner in which he was rebuilding the Chiefs with a hand written inscription. Remember, this was from Bill Belichick, who is not one of pro football’s happy-go-lucky, chatty, back slapping guys. That he twice took the time to encourage Edwards, who has no connection to him, is revealing. It’s a good bet that at some point in time, he and Pioli had discussions on what was happening in Kansas City. And this might be stretching the point, but remember this as well: when he was coaching the New York Jets, Edwards knew the Patriots were filming the Jets sideline during the game. In fact, at one point Edwards waved at the cameraman. But unlike the coach who replaced him with the Jets, former Belichick protégé Eric Mangini, Edwards did not turn the Patriots in to league security. Life is not always fair and no place is that more true than professional sports. It seems a long shot that Pioli will give Edwards the chance to finish the job. That will be unfair, because after suffering the pain of the ‘08 season, Edwards should get the opportunity to enjoy possible success in the coming season. No matter what the decision, it figures to come quickly. If a change is going to be made, then Pioli needs to interview and lineup potential replacements. Next week is the Senior Bowl, what amounts to an annual NFL job fair. If a change is made, the Chiefs will be looking to fill a coaching staff. Should Edwards survive, expect changes in his coaching staff and he’ll need to find some new bodies. This needs to be settled before everybody heads to Mobile. It sounds like one Chiefs assistant coach may already be gone. Secondary coach David Gibbs has been in Houston talking with the Texans about moving there. His father, former Chiefs assistant coach Alex Gibbs is now coaching on Gary Kubiak’s staff. What a lot of people don’t know is that when Gibbs joined the Chiefs in 2006 – leaving Auburn where he was defensive coordinator – he was offered the coordinator’s job by Kubiak. He could have gone to the Texans then, but Gibbs decided to honor his commitment to Edwards and Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.
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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Gretz Quote: "But there’s also little doubt that Edwards was part of the discussions with Pioli leading up to an agreement between the two parties." WTF? So Clark invited Herm to sit in on the Pioli interview and negotiations and then give his approval of Pioli. Okay. God forbid this organization ever has to fire anyone. I like how Gretz spends the entire article repeating that it's doubtful that Pioli will keep Herm but then gives us all this supposedly inside information as to why Herm may get to stay. It's articles like these that make me want to bludgeon Gretz with a pitchfork. Talking Can mentioned that Gretz must be a big fan of failure. I totally agree. All this guy does is promote ideas and people that are absolute failures. Then he goes to the HOF presentations and the first thing he mentions to the voters is why Derrick Thomas was a failure at being a run-stopper, but that he belongs in the HOF despite that. fuck you, Gretz. __________________ "I like Chiefs president Carl Peterson. I respect his business savvy. I envy his management skills and his penchant never to be driven by the whims of popularity. I admire his willingness to take responsibility for decisions that don’t work out the way he would have wanted." - Rufus, from KCChiefs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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