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Old 01-15-2009, 02:30 PM  
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Missed this comment from Clark on QBs
just replayed it on 810, from petro interview

Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..."


2 obvious points:

1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl...

2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:23 PM   #46
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It would be foolish if your GM didn't strike gold TWICE. Matt Cassel was drafted in the 7th round. And while Matt Cassel is no Tom Brady he is probably the greatest 7th round QB in history.
Yay! I can't wait for the 7th round of the 2009 draft!

Woo-hoo!
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:23 PM   #47
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Honestly I am for grabbing a QB every other year or more until you get a franchise guy..

The key is to make them earn it..

Say we get stafford or sanchez, they are going to have to beat out Thigpin to get the starting gig.. As long as there is competition I do not care who starts..
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:25 PM   #48
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Where does Nate Davis project in the draft? I realize how Whitlockish this sounds, but the guy has a nice frame and seems to have some real potential as a QB in the NFL. If he was available 2nd round, we could possibly trade down out of #3, pick up a defensive playmaker in the first, perhaps a right tackle in the extra pick, and Nate Davis with our 2nd round selection. I like Maualuga, that guy's a monster.
IMO it would be foolish to pass on Stafford or Sanchez if they are there at #3 just to pick up a few more players..
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:28 PM   #49
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Where does Nate Davis project in the draft? I realize how Whitlockish this sounds, but the guy has a nice frame and seems to have some real potential as a QB in the NFL. If he was available 2nd round, we could possibly trade down out of #3, pick up a defensive playmaker in the first, perhaps a right tackle in the extra pick, and Nate Davis with our 2nd round selection. I like Maualuga, that guy's a monster.
2nd round QB's dont win Super Bowls. Take the QB in the first, fix the defense with the rest.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:28 PM   #50
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yep he can be our ryan leaf....
hi Carl...thanks for 20 years of failure all based on the fear of drafting a QB....
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2nd round QB's dont win Super Bowls.
Wow...horrible statement.
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Wow...horrible statement.
Look it up. Stabler and Favre thats it, and Packers traded a 1st for Favre.
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Wow...horrible statement.
Only TWO second round QB's have ever won a Super Bowl: Ken Stabler and Brett Favre.

And, it could be argued that since the Packers gave a first round draft choice for Favre, only one second rounder ever won a Super Bowl.

How is that a "horrible statement"?
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:37 PM   #54
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Yay! I can't wait for the 7th round of the 2009 draft!
Woo-hoo!
Point is you are more likely to find your franchise QB if you were to draft one per year in rounds 3-7 until you hit a one (might get lucky on the first try might take 3 years) Then drafting one #3 overall and being stuck with him even if he is a bust.
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Point is you are more likely to find your franchise QB if you were to draft one per year in rounds 3-7 until you hit a one (might get lucky on the first try might take 3 years) Then drafting one #3 overall and being stuck with him even if he is a bust.
Historically that is not true at all.
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Only TWO second round QB's have ever won a Super Bowl: Ken Stabler and Brett Favre.

And, it could be argued that since the Packers gave a first round draft choice for Favre, only one second rounder ever won a Super Bowl.

How is that a "horrible statement"?
There have only been 27 QB's in the history of the league actually WIN a Super Bowl, out of hundreds, if not well over a thousand that have played in the league.

That's a ridiculously small sample size.
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With number three I think you have to draft the best available....if you wanna draft position, trade down.
Except you cant always trade down. I dont know if we take a chance on Sanchez if he's there. I am worried about that only starting 1 year thing. If Staffords there though, get em.
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Point is you are more likely to find your franchise QB if you were to draft one per year in rounds 3-7 until you hit a one (might get lucky on the first try might take 3 years) Then drafting one #3 overall and being stuck with him even if he is a bust.
No fifth round QB has won a Super Bowl. No 7th round QB has won a Super Bowl.

Only ONE 4th round QB has one the Super Bowl (Theisman).

Yet 24 Super Bowls have been one by first rounders.

And unless Kurt Warner wins the Super Bowl, that number will grow to 25.
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There have only been 27 QB's in the history of the league actually WIN a Super Bowl, out of hundreds, if not well over a thousand that have played in the league.

That's a ridiculously small sample size.
Isn't Super Bowl wins what defines QB play? Its the reason why Marino, Kelly and others arent thought of as highly as they should.
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I wonder how many first round QB's flamed out and never won squat.....

it's not just the QB...it's getting the right players and staff together at the right time...it is extremely hard to do....
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