Chiefs Missed this comment from Clark on QBs - Page 7

**the Talking Can** · 01-15-2009, 02:30 PM

just replayed it on 810, from petro interview

Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..."

2 obvious points:

1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl...

2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB

Mecca · 01-15-2009, 06:17 PM

This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

Yeah, this draft is really weak at the top. You have the 2 QB's and an OLman or two.

ChiefsCountry · 01-15-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

He was the last.

2nd round 32nd selection Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers

Take a look at 2001
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position

No he was the 1st pick of the second round. There was only 31 teams in 2001.

Mecca · 01-15-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, this draft is really weak at the top. You have the 2 QB's and an OLman or two.

I don't lump you in with the other people by the way..

It's not like I think your Frankie who has such fear of the QB position he will make every high draft thought of QB into the devil.

ChiefsCountry · 01-15-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

I am unsure where you attended school, but 21 Pro Bowlers divided by 34 picks equals 61.7%. Are you exaggerating the stats in your favor a little bit? Now, to answer your response before you give it to us. 61% of top 5 QB picks making it to the Pro Bowl is just great, just an outstanding accomplishment, but only 20% of them have won Super Bowls. Isn't that what we all want? Did you listen to what Pioli had to say the other day? Building a team and he is not looking for Pro Bowlers. "Players go to the Pro Bowl, Teams win Super Bowls."

I think I threw out the last 3 in my analysis do to they havent had the time. This data is for the Ryan Leaf scared to death people. You have a damn good shot at getting a good player instead of a total bust.

**The Franchise** · 01-15-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No he was the 1st pick of the second round. There was only 31 teams in 2001.

Heh. Oops....I"m reeruned.

Mecca · 01-15-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I think I threw out the last 3 in my analysis do to they havent had the time. This data is for the Ryan Leaf scared to death people. You have a damn good shot at getting a good player instead of a total bust.

I also don't understand why people feel the QB position is so risky, it's the most important position so you should be willing to take the chance especially when you factor in there are busts at every position, no position is completely safe.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I also don't understand why people feel the QB position is so risky, it's the most important position so you should be willing to take the chance especially when you factor in there are busts at every position, no position is completely safe.

Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hit the next time - while other players are basically being wasted in their prime because the team is going nowhere without an offense that opposing defenses have to respect. (See: JaMarcus Russell)

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

stevieray · 01-15-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hi the next time.

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

exactly...like you said it's a team sport in a time of single player slob fests...I'll never forget the look on Collins face when Crumpler fumbled that ball and the game away....you can do everything right and all it takes is one play..ie holmes first fumble in over four hundred touches in the Indy playoff game...

Reerun_KC · 01-15-2009, 06:37 PM

Taking a QB with the 3rd pick would be worth the meltdown on this board....

I would love it...

aturnis · 01-15-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

I was happy to hear Pioli said he has red flags go up with good combine numbers.

**the Talking Can** · 01-15-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hit the next time - while other players are basically being wasted in their prime because the team is going nowhere without an offense that opposing defenses have to respect. (See: JaMarcus Russell)

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

great so you have a LT playing guard...and no QB....

what's the point?

you're trying to build a championship team not minimize risk....

now matter how you say it, "don't draft a QB because it is risky" is a loser's mentality...the exact loser's mentality that has infested this franchise for decades....

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Taking a QB with the 3rd pick would be worth the meltdown on this board....

I would love it...

Eh, only the true reeruns would meltdown.

Otherwise, any meltdown would be confined to getting the supposed "wrong" QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-15-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

great so you have a LT playing guard...and no QB....

what's the point?

you're trying to build a championship team not minimize risk....

now matter how you say it, "don't draft a QB because it is risky" is a loser's mentality...the exact loser's mentality that has infested this franchise for decades....

I swear, your teachers must hang their heads in shame, because you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I'm not saying "don't draft a QB high." I've been on board with Sanchez before just about everyone else on this board.

What I AM saying, is that there IS a huge risk.

I'll type it again in all caps, maybe you'll get it this time, since you've missed it the other 500 times I've said it in the past 4 months:

I WANT US TO DRAFT A QB WITH OUR 1ST PICK, PREFERABLY MARK SANCHEZ.

HOWEVER, UNLIKE OTHERS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A HUGE RISK INVOLVED, A BIGGER RISK THAN AT ANY OTHER POSITION.

UNDERSTANDING THAT RISK, I STILL WANT THE CHIEFS TO TAKE A QB WITH THEIR 1ST PICK.

Holy shit, where's the tylenol?

**SAUTO** · 01-15-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly.

Anyone watch Inside the NFL last night?

The entire crew thinks Eli Manning is no better than the 10th-15th best QB in the league.

Three guys who played in the league, one of them as a SB winning QB, and they think he's average.

Yet, he's won a Super Bowl, so people here think he's the greatest ****ing thing since sliced bread.

did you see that they are speculating that his deal will be bigger than big bro's

01-15-2009, 02:30 PM
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