News Bannister Mall closing for Good at end of may - Page 9

Al Bundy · 05-10-2007, 11:04 PM

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Bannister Mall closing

Micjones · 01-22-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I'd be interested in seeing some reports. My perception of the problems at Bannister Mall is not from personal experience.

I think the prevailing perceptions of the area come from people who haven't had personal experiences there.

I lived and worked in the area for most of my life.

Demonpenz · 01-22-2009, 02:17 PM

I lived in apartment complex down there for awhile I never had any real problems. Just alittle urban for me. I always had fun when the quick trip turned into a club after midnight

**Dartgod** · 01-22-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I think the prevailing perceptions of the area come from people who haven't had personal experiences there.

I lived and worked in the area for most of my life.

I'm certain that the majority of people that shopped there didn't experience a mugging or other violent crime. That doesn't mean it wasn't a problem.

Can you point me to the report you referred to? (crime rates @ Bannister vs. Oak Park Malls)

dallaschiefsfan · 01-22-2009, 02:21 PM

Good riddance. The mall was great when it opened. The neighborhood treated it like sh**. If you treat your house like shi**, it's gonna get torn down eventually. Hell...it wasn't like it was the blue ridge mall--which was super-old already.

Independence Center has stayed open, I see. I'm curious as to why it has stayed solvent?

Micjones · 01-22-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I'm certain that the majority of people that shopped there didn't experience a mugging or other violent crime. That doesn't mean it wasn't a problem.

I never attempted to gloss over that fact.
My point was simply that the prevailing perceptions always come in stage left from people who haven't had real experiences there. And they tend to overstate the realities in those areas.

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Can you point me to the report you referred to? (crime rates @ Bannister vs. Oak Park Malls)

I'll have to dig to find the official report.
It's been a while...

**SAUTO** · 01-22-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I acknowledged that crime was a factor in saying that the story was much more complicated than that.

WHERE? you went into detail on everything else but glossed over that fact

**SAUTO** · 01-22-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I lived in the South Kansas City for all but about 4.5 years of my life.
The perception of the occupying demographic (much darker than in years past) and crime in the area is quite a bit more significant than the actual increase in crime.

Oak Park Mall, according to statistics, has often reported a higher rate of crime than did Bannister Mall. (Not) Surprisingly the perception of that area is quite a bit different.

what about the area directly leading to the malls? i would say that the area around bannister is MUCH worse than the area around oak park

wutamess · 01-22-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I lived in the South Kansas City for all but about 4.5 years of my life.
The perception of the occupying demographic (much darker than in years past) and crime in the area is quite a bit more significant than the actual increase in crime.

Oak Park Mall, according to statistics, has often reported a higher rate of crime than did Bannister Mall. (Not) Surprisingly the perception of that area is quite a bit different.

Sounds good.

But in reality when the bus lines let all the "hood" into Hypermart area the mall didn't have a chance.

Maybe the crime rates were more in OP but I'm willing to bet the violent crimes weren't higher.

So what Johnny ran out of OP Dillards with a jacket... It's not as bad as someone carjacked in the parking lot at Christmas time at Bannister.

I went to school right around the corner from there. And grew up most of my life there also.

**SAUTO** · 01-22-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I never attempted to gloss over that fact.
My point was simply that the prevailing perceptions always come in stage left from people who haven't had real experiences there. And they tend to overstate the realities in those areas.

I'll have to dig to find the official report.
It's been a while...

not where my perception came from

**SAUTO** · 01-22-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Sounds good.

But in reality when the bus lines let all the "hood" into Hypermart area the mall didn't have a chance.

Maybe the crime rates were more in OP but I'm willing to bet the violent crimes weren't higher.

So what Johnny ran out of Dillards with a jacket... It's not as bad as someone carjacked in the parking lot at Christmas time at Bannister.
I went to school right around the corner from there.

QFT whole post actually

wutamess · 01-22-2009, 02:48 PM

nm I'm dumb.

dallaschiefsfan · 01-22-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I think the prevailing perceptions of the area come from people who haven't had personal experiences there.

I lived and worked in the area for most of my life.

Dad was a KC Police officer there for most of my life. He couldn't even be off-duty without seeing (and intervening in) some random crime being perpetrated in or near that mall. No doubt about it. This place was a hole. Period. That whole area needed a Giuliani-style crack down for years.

bobbymitch · 01-22-2009, 03:05 PM

We lived in Raytown when they built the place. At the time it was great. Among the stores was one called the Village Set. They kept records of what the women bought and what sizes. So, us males could go in to do some Christmas or birthday shopping, they would pull up the card and guide us in color and size selection. What a fantastic operation.

What made us stop going there, were the groups of kids. They would wander about, being loud, and would walk down the corridors 5 and 6 side by side. They wouldn't move or let anyone get by them. It just got down right uncomfortable, so we went elsewhere.

The same goes for the HyperMart after awhile.

Deberg_1990 · 01-22-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

This story is so much more complicated than people are willing to admit.

It incorporates White flight (back to the urban core), falling property values, lost anchor stores that propped the mall up, the decline of a once bustling Benjamin Plaza, the decline in popularity of enclosed malls, middle class families moving East in to Lee's Summit/Independence/Blue Springs, shifts in disposable income with the occupying demographic, etc. etc.

That said, I had some wonderful memories at that mall.
I once worked there in the movie theater (United Artists).
I grew up in South Kansas City...It'll always have a special place in my heart.

We're on the verge of another failed Kansas City development sinkhole that'll quickly get stale and cost us millions upon millions of dollars.

*Yawn*

Well said.

Ill just prefer to remember that mall in its Glory days in the 1980's.

It definately was the place to be back then.

Micjones · 01-22-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

WHERE? you went into detail on everything else but glossed over that fact

Not like "much more" means "in addition to" or "and"...
I get it though. Playing dumb is the ChiefsPlanet way.

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01-22-2009, 03:05 PM	#133
bobbymitch Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Midwest coast Casino cash: $9883512	We lived in Raytown when they built the place. At the time it was great. Among the stores was one called the Village Set. They kept records of what the women bought and what sizes. So, us males could go in to do some Christmas or birthday shopping, they would pull up the card and guide us in color and size selection. What a fantastic operation. What made us stop going there, were the groups of kids. They would wander about, being loud, and would walk down the corridors 5 and 6 side by side. They wouldn't move or let anyone get by them. It just got down right uncomfortable, so we went elsewhere. The same goes for the HyperMart after awhile.
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