Football ESPN NEWS: Shanahan to KC?

orange · 01-23-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

What the **** does friendship have to do with business? Not a damn thing. I have no doubts Shanahan RESPECTS Bowlen, but you're ****ing crazy if you think Shanahan isn't going to look out for himself before he looks out for Bowlen. He doesn't owe Bowlen jack doo diddly squat. He was FIRED. Do you not comprehend that? FIRED by his BFF.

What does businessman Mike Shanahan owe the Hunts? Why would he take less from them than anyone else? What makes you think the Chiefs can get Shanahan - or anyone - at subprime?

Remember - Shanahan gets the $7 million if he does NOTHING. The scenario ESPN offered doesn't make him one extra cent.

BigChiefFan · 01-23-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

What does businessman Mike Shanahan owe the Hunts? Why would he take less from them than anyone else? What makes you think the Chiefs can get Shanahan - or anyone - at subprime?

Hello? have you not heard a word we have said?

BECAUSE HE WILL BE HEAD COACH ONLY!!!!!!!!

orange · 01-23-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Hello? have you not heard a word we have said?

BECAUSE HE WILL BE HEAD COACH ONLY!!!!!!!!

Hello? Have you not heard a word I have said?

HE WOULDN'T GET ONE EXTRA CENT FROM THE ESPN SCENARIO THAN IF HE DID NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!

BigChiefFan · 01-23-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Hllo? Have you not heard a word I have said?

HE WOULDN'T GET ONE EXTRA CENT FROM THE ESPN SCENARIO THAN IF HE DID NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!

Earth to Orange, come in Orange. Are you reading?

"Hello..?"
"Yes, a collect call for Mrs. Floyd from Mr. Floyd.
Will you accept the charges from United States?"

"Oh, He hung up! That's your residence, right? I wonder why he hung up?
Is there supposed to be someone else there besides your wife there to answer?"

"Hello?"
"This is united states calling, are we reaching..."

"See he keeps hanging up, and it's a man answering."

orange · 01-23-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Earth to Orange, come in Orange. Are you reading?

orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

**SAUTO** · 01-23-2009, 10:20 PM

[QUOTE=orange;5421377]orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?[/QUOTE]

uuuummmmmmmm, he LIKES to coach and a challenge????
oh and that was a question not an answer (referencing what is underlined)

BigChiefFan · 01-23-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

You don't seem to UNDERSTAND that Shanny is going to make $7 million a year for the next 3 years from BOWLEN, unless he finds work ELSEWHERE, in which the difference will be made up by whoever hires him, thus FREEING UP MONEY for Bowlen. Bowlen OWES that to him , since he FIRED him-that's what having a contract is all about.

He won't be taking less, he's making $7 mil next year and the two after that whether he works in the NFL or not. He's OWED that.

orange · 01-23-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You don't seem to UNDERSTAND that Shanny is going to make $7 million a year for the next 3 years from BOWLEN, unless he finds work ELSEWHERE, in which the difference will be made up by whoever hires him, thus FREEING UP MONEY for Bowlen. Bowlen OWES that to him , since he FIRED him-that's what having a contract is all about.

He won't be taking less, he's making $7 mil next year and the two after that whether he works in the NFL or not. He's OWED that.

I understand that exactly. You don't seem to. Let's spell it out:

- Shanahan does nothing - collects $7 million.
- Shanahan signs to coach Chiefs for $3.5 million - collects $7 million (Bowlen makes up the difference and their friendship is ruined)
- Shanahan signs to coach Chiefs for $7.5 million - collects $7.5 million (all from the Hunts, Bowlen grins and bears it)

Now, what's in it for Shanahan to take the second option?

**cdcox** · 01-23-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

When you get to an NFL head coach level of salary and ambition, it ain't about the money. It's about the ambition and accomplishment. No one is going to talk about you if you are sitting on the sideline.

When people think someone at this level would rather twiddle their thumbs than make something happen for the same pay either way, it makes me laugh.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-23-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

Because football coaches coach.

Why would Eric Mangini jump right back into the water to coach when he could sit on his ass and collect a fat paycheck from the Jets?

Why would Scott Linehan coach as a coordinator for basically nothing while the Rams pay his entire paycheck?

Why would Mike Nolan coach the defense in Denver when the 49ers are on the hook for his salary?

I know my lazy ass would sit there and collect my money, but I'm not a football coach.

Stop acting like you're surprised that Shanahan would be interested in the Chiefs.

1) They have solid ownership
2) They have a top evaluator
3) They have loads of cap room
4) They have a high draft pick
5) They have a great fanbase that would worship Shanahan forever if be coached a winner here.
6) He knows the division

It's really not rocket science why he would coach again, and why it MIGHT be with the Chiefs.

Do I think he's coming here? No, I don't.

But is it hysterical watching Bronco losers spend their entire night on a CHIEFS board trying to refute any chance of it happening? Absolutely.

**CosmicPal** · 01-23-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Because football coaches coach.

Why would Eric Mangini jump right back into the water to coach when he could sit on his ass and collect a fat paycheck from the Jets?

Why would Scott Linehan coach as a coordinator for basically nothing while the Rams pay his entire paycheck?

Why would Mike Nolan coach the defense in Denver when the 49ers are on the hook for his salary?

I know my lazy ass would sit there and collect my money, but I'm not a football coach.

Stop acting like you're surprised that Shanahan would be interested in the Chiefs.

1) They have solid ownership
2) They have a top evaluator
3) They have loads of cap room
4) They have a high draft pick
5) They have a great fanbase that would worship Shanahan forever if be coached a winner here.
6) He knows the division

It's really not rocket science why he would coach again, and why it MIGHT be with the Chiefs.

Do I think he's coming here? No, I don't.

But is it hysterical watching Bronco losers spend their entire night on a CHIEFS board trying to refute any chance of it happening? Absolutely.

All of which are good points, and I too think he's not coming here. I think we're waiting until after the Super Bowl to make a final decision. Hell, it took them this long to finally let go of Herm.

Direckshun · 01-23-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Because football coaches coach.

Why would Eric Mangini jump right back into the water to coach when he could sit on his ass and collect a fat paycheck from the Jets?

Why would Scott Linehan coach as a coordinator for basically nothing while the Rams pay his entire paycheck?

Why would Mike Nolan coach the defense in Denver when the 49ers are on the hook for his salary?

I know my lazy ass would sit there and collect my money, but I'm not a football coach.

Stop acting like you're surprised that Shanahan would be interested in the Chiefs.

1) They have solid ownership
2) They have a top evaluator
3) They have loads of cap room
4) They have a high draft pick
5) They have a great fanbase that would worship Shanahan forever if be coached a winner here.
6) He knows the division

It's really not rocket science why he would coach again, and why it MIGHT be with the Chiefs.

Do I think he's coming here? No, I don't.

But is it hysterical watching Bronco losers spend their entire night on a CHIEFS board trying to refute any chance of it happening? Absolutely.

You're turning me on a bit.

splatbass · 01-23-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

orange to BigChiefFan. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

Because he wants to coach, and he sees the Chiefs as a good opportunity?

Hootie · 01-24-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

orange to BigChiefFan. Answer plain, one simple answer. Why would Shanahan coach the Chiefs for the same total money that he's going to get anyway for not coaching them?

Perhaps because he has enough money and wants to coach...wants to do what he's been doing for the last how many ever years...

He'd rather be coaching and making $7M then sitting on his ass and making $7M...

BigChiefFan · 01-24-2009, 12:17 AM

Denver Sports

Chief's Coach Firing Leads To Shanahan Speculation
Edwards Fired After Going 6-26 In 2 Years

POSTED: 4:49 pm MST January 23, 2009
UPDATED: 9:22 pm MST January 23, 2009

DENVER -- Kansas City fired Herm Edwards Friday afternoon after three seasons with the Chiefs, setting off another firestorm of Mike Shanahan speculation.

On Thursday, the rumor that Shanahan was the next in line in Kansas City got shot down quickly. But on Friday that rumor got new life within minutes of Edwards' demise.

Now it's a battle of the who's got better contacts inside the NFL.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting the Chiefs and Shanahan are close to a deal.

Adam Shefter with the NFL Network said there have been no negotiations at all between the Chiefs and Shanahan.

Many Denver Broncos fans will shudder at the idea of Shanahan leading the Chiefs. Owner Pat Bowlen wouldn't be too pumped up either -- an opinion he pointed out about a month ago during Shanahan's final press conference.

Edwards Fired

Edwards was the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs during the worst two-year span in team history.

Edwards goes out with a three-year regular-season record of 15-33 and with one year remaining on a four-year, $12 million contract. As head coach of the New York Jets in 2001-05, he had a regular-season mark of 39-41 and was 2-3 in the playoffs.

Edwards had been waiting to learn his fate since president and general manager Carl Peterson abruptly resigned on Dec. 15. When Scott Pioli was introduced as Peterson's successor on Jan. 13, he was noncommittal and said only that he intended to speak with Edwards.

"This was not an easy decision. Herm is an outstanding football coach and a man of integrity. We appreciate his leadership over the past three seasons, and we wish him all the best in the future," Chiefs owner Clark Hunt said in a written statement.

Pioli said he has had several conversations with Edwards over the last week.

"After careful consideration, Clark and I felt that it was best to make a change," Pioli said.

Bob Moore, a spokesman for the team, said the Chiefs didn't have a timeline for replacing Edwards. He said all the assistant coaches still with Kansas City are under contract.

Edwards expressed his gratitude to the Hunt family and said he respected "the tough decision that was made to move in a new direction."

"There is not a more gracious family in all of professional sports than the Hunts," Edwards said in a statement released by the team. "To the players and coaches who worked so hard for our team, I appreciate their efforts."

After Edwards and Peterson launched a full-fledged rebuilding project in 2008, youth and injury led to a 2-14 record and a distressful two-year tally of 6-26 that cost both men their jobs. Particularly embarrassing to Edwards was a defense that managed only 10 sacks this season, gave up a team-record 332 yards rushing in one game and a team-record 54 points in another. Edwards had promised on his first day as head coach to repair the weak defense that characterized the five-year Dick Vermeil regime.

Following a 10-year career as an NFL cornerback, Edwards' first experience with Kansas City came as a training camp assistant in 1989. Seventeen years later, he had the distinction of being the first man to become head coach of the team that brought him into the NFL through the league's minority coaching fellowship program.

In spite of the losses, his players remained loyal to their charismatic coach whose background as a cornerback on Philadelphia's 1980 Super Bowl team gave him a special rapport.

"A coach's main job is to make sure a team is prepared," Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters, one of the Chiefs' few veterans, said shortly before Kansas City ended this season. "There is no doubt that this team has been well prepared every week. Herm and the coaches can't go onto the field and make plays. That's up to the players, and that's just something we haven't done this year. In no way do I think Herm is responsible for our record."

Edwards' most costly mistake may have been overlooking Brodie Croyle's history of injuries and designating him as the foundation quarterback. A third-round pick out of Alabama in 2006, Croyle could never stay healthy and was 0-8 as a starter when he went down for the season with a knee injury.

Edwards' first year in Kansas City was a success. The Chiefs went 9-7 and captured the last wild-card playoff spot. He became only the fifth man to take two different teams to the postseason in his first year as head coach; the Jets went to the playoffs three times in his five seasons there.

He wanted to begin dismantling an aging team and start rebuilding in 2007. But he ran into opposition from a front office that felt there was enough left for another playoff run. After an encouraging 4-3 start, age and ineffectiveness at several key positions created problems and Kansas City ended 2007 on a nine-game losing streak.

With Hunt's blessing, Edwards finally launched his youth movement in 2008 and opened the season at New England with the youngest squad in the league.

He knew it was going to be a difficult chore because of all the youth. But he did not foresee an injury epidemic that robbed him of his two top quarterbacks, made a shambles of the linebacker corps and weakened the defensive line, offensive line and secondary.

Copyright 2009 by TheDenverChannel.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	Denver Sports Chief's Coach Firing Leads To Shanahan Speculation Edwards Fired After Going 6-26 In 2 Years POSTED: 4:49 pm MST January 23, 2009 UPDATED: 9:22 pm MST January 23, 2009 DENVER -- Kansas City fired Herm Edwards Friday afternoon after three seasons with the Chiefs, setting off another firestorm of Mike Shanahan speculation. On Thursday, the rumor that Shanahan was the next in line in Kansas City got shot down quickly. But on Friday that rumor got new life within minutes of Edwards' demise. Now it's a battle of the who's got better contacts inside the NFL. ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting the Chiefs and Shanahan are close to a deal. Adam Shefter with the NFL Network said there have been no negotiations at all between the Chiefs and Shanahan. Many Denver Broncos fans will shudder at the idea of Shanahan leading the Chiefs. Owner Pat Bowlen wouldn't be too pumped up either -- an opinion he pointed out about a month ago during Shanahan's final press conference. Edwards Fired Edwards was the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs during the worst two-year span in team history. Edwards goes out with a three-year regular-season record of 15-33 and with one year remaining on a four-year, $12 million contract. As head coach of the New York Jets in 2001-05, he had a regular-season mark of 39-41 and was 2-3 in the playoffs. Edwards had been waiting to learn his fate since president and general manager Carl Peterson abruptly resigned on Dec. 15. When Scott Pioli was introduced as Peterson's successor on Jan. 13, he was noncommittal and said only that he intended to speak with Edwards. "This was not an easy decision. Herm is an outstanding football coach and a man of integrity. We appreciate his leadership over the past three seasons, and we wish him all the best in the future," Chiefs owner Clark Hunt said in a written statement. Pioli said he has had several conversations with Edwards over the last week. "After careful consideration, Clark and I felt that it was best to make a change," Pioli said. Bob Moore, a spokesman for the team, said the Chiefs didn't have a timeline for replacing Edwards. He said all the assistant coaches still with Kansas City are under contract. Edwards expressed his gratitude to the Hunt family and said he respected "the tough decision that was made to move in a new direction." "There is not a more gracious family in all of professional sports than the Hunts," Edwards said in a statement released by the team. "To the players and coaches who worked so hard for our team, I appreciate their efforts." After Edwards and Peterson launched a full-fledged rebuilding project in 2008, youth and injury led to a 2-14 record and a distressful two-year tally of 6-26 that cost both men their jobs. Particularly embarrassing to Edwards was a defense that managed only 10 sacks this season, gave up a team-record 332 yards rushing in one game and a team-record 54 points in another. Edwards had promised on his first day as head coach to repair the weak defense that characterized the five-year Dick Vermeil regime. Following a 10-year career as an NFL cornerback, Edwards' first experience with Kansas City came as a training camp assistant in 1989. Seventeen years later, he had the distinction of being the first man to become head coach of the team that brought him into the NFL through the league's minority coaching fellowship program. In spite of the losses, his players remained loyal to their charismatic coach whose background as a cornerback on Philadelphia's 1980 Super Bowl team gave him a special rapport. "A coach's main job is to make sure a team is prepared," Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters, one of the Chiefs' few veterans, said shortly before Kansas City ended this season. "There is no doubt that this team has been well prepared every week. Herm and the coaches can't go onto the field and make plays. That's up to the players, and that's just something we haven't done this year. In no way do I think Herm is responsible for our record." Edwards' most costly mistake may have been overlooking Brodie Croyle's history of injuries and designating him as the foundation quarterback. A third-round pick out of Alabama in 2006, Croyle could never stay healthy and was 0-8 as a starter when he went down for the season with a knee injury. Edwards' first year in Kansas City was a success. The Chiefs went 9-7 and captured the last wild-card playoff spot. He became only the fifth man to take two different teams to the postseason in his first year as head coach; the Jets went to the playoffs three times in his five seasons there. He wanted to begin dismantling an aging team and start rebuilding in 2007. But he ran into opposition from a front office that felt there was enough left for another playoff run. After an encouraging 4-3 start, age and ineffectiveness at several key positions created problems and Kansas City ended 2007 on a nine-game losing streak. With Hunt's blessing, Edwards finally launched his youth movement in 2008 and opened the season at New England with the youngest squad in the league. He knew it was going to be a difficult chore because of all the youth. But he did not foresee an injury epidemic that robbed him of his two top quarterbacks, made a shambles of the linebacker corps and weakened the defensive line, offensive line and secondary. 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