Chiefs My analysis of Scott Pioli and his Interview - Page 7

Amnorix · 01-15-2009, 11:58 AM

I just watched the full interview on KCChiefs.com where Pioli was introduced. As a close Patriots' watcher and expert (well moreso than you guys, for now anyway) in the ways of the Patriots and Mr. Pioli, I saw several things that were very interesting and figured I'd share them. I see everyone is creating separate threads on Pioli, so this is legit I guess.

First, I think Herm is likely gone. I strongly suspect that one reason for the delay in announcing Scott (I'll suggest another below) is the status of Herm Edwards.

Scott praised Herm, but when asked to give his assessment of his strengths as a coach, all he could come up with is that he liked him personally and that his players played hard for him. While that's clearly important, he didn't say ALOT of the buzzwords that I would expect him to say if he were giving a coach high praise.

I noted, correctly, in a prior thread that you could expect to hear Pioli say that he would build a "big, strong, tough, smart, disciplined" football team. None of those buzzwords came through. The phrases Belichick uses to praise the coaches he highly respects, such as Shanarat, were not used.

Then Clark Hunt went on to say that Scott would basically investigate and then report to him with a recommendation. What I strongly suspect is that Clark didn't want to fire HErm, but wants to keep him. Maybe because he feels a sense of obligation to him for handing him such a young roster, or perhaps just to save the $4MM. But what Scott and Hunt agreed on was that Scott would "give him a chance" -- i.e. have discussions iwth him and get to know the players/personnel better to make a better assessment, from the inside as it were, of Herm, and then recommend to Clark whether he will be kept or discharged.

I strongly suspect Herm will be gone in about 2 weeks.

Second, the last exchange, at the very end of the interview, was very telling. The reporter asked if Scott had to CLEAR trades, etc. with Clark. Scott's answer was that Clark will be INFORMED of everything that happens, before it happens. He also used a few other phrases that make it clear that Scott has complete control over all football operations.

That may well have been another sticking point that slowed this process down -- discussions over the degree of control Scott would have. He obviously wants what Parcells and Belichick always wanted -- complete control.

Other than that, I would recommend that any Chiefs fan on here watch the video. It explains that "Patriots' Way", and the modus operandi for the Chiefs going forward.

He also references some of the unique challenges the Chiefs present compared ot the Patriots team that won a SB two years after BB/SP arrived. The roster is much younger here now, and there is no veteran core of players, nor a recent tradition of winning. In some ways, his job is harder here than they had with the Patriots. However, there is plenty of cap room which wasn't the case in NE. The problem, however, is that everyone in the NFL (practically) has plenty of cap room these days, so it may not be that much of a competitive advantage.

Coach · 01-24-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's not necessarily true.

I am happy that Pioli was hired, because he gives the Chiefs instant credibility around the league that other potential GMs would not have.

However, he wasn't my top choice, and I won't simply just give him a free pass just because he's Scott Pioli.

So far, in the short time he's been on the job, I am pleased with the way he's handled things, and happier than a hog farmer in shit that he, and Clark, fired Herman ****ing Edwards.

However, if he brings in Mike Shannahan (most overrated head coach in the last 30 years) or Paul Pasqualoni as HC (59 years old, and spotty record at Syracuse), then I will be pissed.

Would like to see your reasoning for the overrated comment.

milkman · 01-24-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Would like to see your reasoning for the overrated comment.

Without John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Alex Gibbs, the Rat has been pretty mediocre.

Coach · 01-24-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Without John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Alex Gibbs, the Rat has been pretty mediocre.

That's pretty obvious, but wouldn't it apply to say Jeff Fisher? I mean, I know he hasn't won a Super Bowl or anything, but he hasn't done much without Steve McNair as well. Mike Holmgren, who also won a SB with Brett Farve, haven't won anything, with the exception of making it with Matt Hasselback, but still, didn't win a SB.

I think what really is his downfall is that his inability to put together a solid defensive staff.

I think, while he's a great coach, that I am a little nervous about his playoff record AJE (After John Elway). 1-4 playoff record in 5 playoff games.

milkman · 01-24-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

That's pretty obvious, but wouldn't it apply to say Jeff Fisher? I mean, I know he hasn't won a Super Bowl or anything, but he hasn't done much without Steve McNair as well. Mike Holmgren, who also won a SB with Brett Farve, haven't won anything, with the exception of making it with Matt Hasselback, but still, didn't win a SB.

I think what really is his downfall is that his inability to put together a solid defensive staff.

I think, while he's a great coach, that I am a little nervous about his playoff record AJE (After John Elway). 1-4 playoff record in 5 playoff games.

That would be another argument that he's overrated.

Great coaches hire good people.

Edit:One could also argue that Jeff Fisher and his staff developed a real raw QB in McNair, and that he actually did his best work when the team purged the roster because of the salary cap.

Me, I'm not a fan of Fisher, but I would take him over the Rat any day, and twice on Sunday.

Deberg_1990 · 01-24-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Without John Elway, Terrell Davis, and Alex Gibbs, the Rat has been pretty mediocre.

True. But i think a Shanny/Pioli team is at least intriguing.

If Shanny is just allowed to coach and let Pioli handle the personel, that could be successful.

JuicesFlowing · 01-24-2009, 10:05 AM

Name me one coach who IS good without a good QB, RB, and competent coaching staff.

milkman · 01-24-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Name me one coach who IS good without a good QB, RB, and competent coaching staff.

The point is that Shanahan had a couple of good coaches, most notably Alex Gibbs, but he failed to put together a competent staff on the defensive side of the ball.

The HC puts together his staff, so if he fails to hire good people that failure is on him, and him alone.

Brian Billick won a SB with Trent Dilfer, and Bill Belicheck won a SB with Antwain Smith at RB.

Jon Gruden won one with Brad Johnson.

Brock · 01-24-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Name me one coach who IS good without a good QB, RB, and competent coaching staff.

Since he was in charge of procuring the talent, that blame falls on his own shoulders.

**SAUTO** · 01-24-2009, 10:30 AM

even without elway, shannahan was 91-69 which is still miles better than perm

**Manila-Chief** · 01-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Those were the Bobby Grier / Pete Carroll seasons, as Parcells left after 1996. We went 10-6 in 1997, with a playoff loss to, err, the Steelers I think. Two very tight games against them that year.

9-7 in 1998, and then 8-8 in 1999.

Carroll may or may not have gotten a fair shake as a coach. Bobby Grier's drafts were TERRIBLE, and we were way over the cap.

Could Pete Carrol be his "ace up his sleive" for coach? Just asking? But, just because he was at NE doesn't mean he has a relationship with Pioli????

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Name me one coach who IS good without a good QB, RB, and competent coaching staff.

Yes!!!

But, ususlly the coach chooses his staff and if he chooses poorly then he is not a good coach. The coach chooses who will play and how he coaches. I know top talent really helps that process.

milkman · 01-24-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

even without elway, shannahan was 91-69 which is still miles better than perm

And Marty won 100 games in the 90s.

What's your point?

LV Tim · 01-24-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Name me one coach who IS good without a good QB, RB, and competent coaching staff.

Just to push some buttons . . . Mary did pretty good with Steve Bonehead and Elvis Grbac at QB, and Cunningham at DC (*ducks under desk*)

**SAUTO** · 01-24-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

And Marty won 100 games in the 90s.

What's your point?

point is that people are acting like the guy's teams have been horrible since elway left, not true

**Manila-Chief** · 01-24-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

point is that people are acting like the guy's teams have been horrible since elway left, not true

I think a really talented QB will help him or any other coach win a SB. Without one, the team has to have an outstanding defense to win a SB.
And, Shanny will not develop an outstanding defense.

I'd rather have another coach. Don't like the idea of the Rat being here. But, if the list is only those lised in the article in the Star ... I'd rather have the Rat ... if he agrees to work closely with Pioli. Since, he knows QB's he probably could help us draft a QB.

I hope Pioli has an ace up his shirt or somewhere????

milkman · 01-24-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

point is that people are acting like the guy's teams have been horrible since elway left, not true

Not terrible.

Mediocre.

Sure, he's won some games in the regular season, but his teams have been remarkably bad overall in the playoffs for the last ten years.

01-15-2009, 11:58 AM
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	My analysis of Scott Pioli and his Interview I just watched the full interview on KCChiefs.com where Pioli was introduced. As a close Patriots' watcher and expert (well moreso than you guys, for now anyway) in the ways of the Patriots and Mr. Pioli, I saw several things that were very interesting and figured I'd share them. I see everyone is creating separate threads on Pioli, so this is legit I guess. First, I think Herm is likely gone. I strongly suspect that one reason for the delay in announcing Scott (I'll suggest another below) is the status of Herm Edwards. Scott praised Herm, but when asked to give his assessment of his strengths as a coach, all he could come up with is that he liked him personally and that his players played hard for him. While that's clearly important, he didn't say ALOT of the buzzwords that I would expect him to say if he were giving a coach high praise. I noted, correctly, in a prior thread that you could expect to hear Pioli say that he would build a "big, strong, tough, smart, disciplined" football team. None of those buzzwords came through. The phrases Belichick uses to praise the coaches he highly respects, such as Shanarat, were not used. Then Clark Hunt went on to say that Scott would basically investigate and then report to him with a recommendation. What I strongly suspect is that Clark didn't want to fire HErm, but wants to keep him. Maybe because he feels a sense of obligation to him for handing him such a young roster, or perhaps just to save the $4MM. But what Scott and Hunt agreed on was that Scott would "give him a chance" -- i.e. have discussions iwth him and get to know the players/personnel better to make a better assessment, from the inside as it were, of Herm, and then recommend to Clark whether he will be kept or discharged. I strongly suspect Herm will be gone in about 2 weeks. Second, the last exchange, at the very end of the interview, was very telling. The reporter asked if Scott had to CLEAR trades, etc. with Clark. Scott's answer was that Clark will be INFORMED of everything that happens, before it happens. He also used a few other phrases that make it clear that Scott has complete control over all football operations. That may well have been another sticking point that slowed this process down -- discussions over the degree of control Scott would have. He obviously wants what Parcells and Belichick always wanted -- complete control. Other than that, I would recommend that any Chiefs fan on here watch the video. It explains that "Patriots' Way", and the modus operandi for the Chiefs going forward. He also references some of the unique challenges the Chiefs present compared ot the Patriots team that won a SB two years after BB/SP arrived. The roster is much younger here now, and there is no veteran core of players, nor a recent tradition of winning. In some ways, his job is harder here than they had with the Patriots. However, there is plenty of cap room which wasn't the case in NE. The problem, however, is that everyone in the NFL (practically) has plenty of cap room these days, so it may not be that much of a competitive advantage.
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