Chiefs If not Shanahan.. - Page 3

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 12:58 PM

... then it might really be the case that Todd Haley is the candidate Pioli is focusing on. With that in mind, somebody posted this article/editorial on another Chiefs forum which I found kind of interesting:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...th-kansas-city

Ten Reasons Kurt Warner Will Sign with Kansas City

The Kansas City Chiefs fired coach Herm Edwards after posting a 15-34 record in three seasons, including 2-14 this season. Since the hiring of Scott Pioli as general manager, it has been rumored that changes within the organization will occur. Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan's name continues to surface as a possibility of becoming the next head coach; however, it remains unlikely Shanahan will be coaching in Kansas City next season.

After the Super Bowl, the Chiefs will seek permission to talk with Arizona offensive coordinator Todd Haley regarding the vacant coaching position. Haley's stock has flourished in conjunction with the Cardinals run through the NFC playoffs and the team's first ever Super Bowl appearance. Both Haley and Pioli have one major connection: Bill Parcells.

Only three NFL franchises have posted worse records than the Chiefs in the past three years; Detroit, Oakland and St. Louis. Kansas City has traditionally been a winning franchise until recently. Since the Chiefs play in a weak AFC West division, the possibility of turning the franchise around in a shorter period of time increases.

If the Chiefs decide to hire Haley as head coach, he will bring the explosive passing offense from Arizona to Kansas City. Haley needs a gunslinger for a quarterback and balance at the wide receiver position to be successful.

Mel Kiper has posted his 2009 mock NFL draft on espn.com. Right now, Kiper has the Chiefs selecting USC quarterback Matt Sanchez at No. 3. Kansas City does need to upgrade the quarterback position, but Kiper based this selection on Edwards still being coach.

The hiring of Haley will probably lead the team to select Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree with the No. 3 pick. Realistically, Haley wants a quick turnaround with the franchise and drafting a QB will slow him down. Crabtree provides Haley with a balanced wide receiver attack, similar to Larry Fitzgerald and Anquin Boldin in Arizona, with Dwayne Bowe and future hall-of-fame TE Tony Gonzalez.

The Chiefs already have RB Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles in place. Ultimately, Haley will be seeking a free-agent quarterback. If Kansas City does hire Haley as head coach, the following 10 reasons represent why Kurt Warner will be the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback next season:

1. Haley is head coach

2. Warner has familiarity with Haley's offensive system

3. Warner is an unrestricted free-agent

4. Economic decision by Arizona Cardinals. Matt Leinart was No. 10 pick in 2006 NFL Draft and makes a substantial amount of money as a back-up. Can't keep him on the bench much longer.

5. At 37, seeking a potential two-year deal to finish career

6. Guarantee starting quarterback job

7. Gets to throw to Bowe, Crabtree and Gonzalez

8. Play in a weak AFC West division

9. Opportunity to play in the Midwest (originally from Cedar Rapids, Iowa)

10. Irony. Began NFL career in Missouri (St. Louis); will end NFL career in Missouri (Kansas City)

If that turns out to be true, do you think the Chiefs will go after someone like Harrell or Freeman as a 2 year grooming project? I guess I will be watching the Senior Bowl today with the extra incentive of watching Harrell and the rest of the Senior QBs.

sparkky · 01-24-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

On the contrary, one of the youngest teams with some talent could benefit from an experienced pilot.

IMO, then go get Ray Lewis.

not bashin' ya Frankie, we just see things different.

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkky

it is a valid point but I doubt Warner can offer any more "knowledge" than Huard could. Warner is just a better passer.

I really think Warner is closer to Manning than to Huard. Plus we are talking about the eventuality of Haley's offense, which Warner knows a lot more than Huard about.

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Originally Posted by sparkky

I don't have a problem with a qb pick, just the waste of $$ it would take to get him here.

If there was ever a year to open the purse it's this year. One of these years we have to use some of that cap money and slightly overpay one or two guys. For example if Peppers is available I would definitely try to compete for him and maybe end up overpaying him a bit. Same would go for Warner on a short contract if we could get this kind of production from him.

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Originally Posted by sparkky

We couldn't compete next year if God was the head coach, Christ was the OC, the devil at DC and mother mary the trainer.

Ye of little faith. I think actually we have some talent on this roster.

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkky

IMO, then go get Ray Lewis.

not bashin' ya Frankie, we just see things different.

"Bashin" never crossed my mind.

**Rausch** · 01-24-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

if he comes to KC, and we draft a #1 QB etc; will the draftee start? or will Warner?

Either way, whoever starts will be dead by week 6.

Not if they're durable.

Thigpen didn't get killed and he was a scrambler. And Spurt is very good (now) at getting rid of the ball and not getting beat up...

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know that Clark wants a young franchise QB, and that Edwards leaving doesn't change that.

But Clark may have been talking about developing one. Not necessarily having one THIS year.

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We were competitive this year with dog$#it at HC and DC.

Our problem wasn't being in games or having a chance to win, it was finishing. It was winning the ****ing game...

Good point.

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

if he comes to KC, and we draft a #1 QB etc; will the draftee start? or will Warner?

Either way, whoever starts will be dead by week 6.

Let's assume Pioli will see to it we fill Oline holes this year via draft or FA.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-24-2009, 01:40 PM

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The Chiefs already have RB Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles in place. Ultimately, Haley will be seeking a free-agent quarterback. If Kansas City does hire Haley as head coach, the following 10 reasons represent why Kurt Warner will be the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback next season:

Then Haley can lick my sack. Whoever wrote this is an even GREATER boob than Athan.

**chiefforlife** · 01-24-2009, 01:40 PM

I like the idea. Its at least worth discussing...

kcfanXIII · 01-24-2009, 01:42 PM

still need help at o-line, and my god, the putrid remains of a once great defense need to be rebuilt too. too much money invested in an area of marginal need. i'd like to see a new qb brought in, but with thigpen the chiefs are closer to an actual profesional football player at qb, then say, middle linebacker, or defensive end. the offensive linestill needs some work as well. thigpen might not be the long term answer at this point, but he has played well enough i'm not 100% sure we draft qb in first round. not even sure we go offense in the first round, there are a couple of stud middle linebackers coming out.

sparkky · 01-24-2009, 01:52 PM

I'm figuring in the factor of many new coaches and new schemes. I don't think young guys adapt to system changes as quickly as older vets.

I agree, we were "competitive" in individual games. I consider finishing with a .500 or better record record as being "competitive." I'm more interested in competing for titles than in individual games.
"At the end of the day" (sorry guys, couldn't stop myself!) when you finish like we did, you're not competitive.

I agree that we have some young talent and potential on the team. While Herm had several short comings, I do think he had a decent eye for talent.

I'm on board with spending cash, I just don't know that Warner is the place to do it. Peppers, bring him on!!

beach tribe · 01-24-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkky

We couldn't compete next year if God was the head coach, Christ was the OC, the devil at DC and mother mary the trainer.

I'm sure you thought the same thing about the dolphins after last season.

This league is set up for quick fixes if the men making the decisions make the right ones. I think our braintrust is more than capable of putting a 9-7, 10-6 team on the field next season, and deliver a home PO game in 2010.

It happens every year.

whoman69 · 01-24-2009, 02:14 PM

There is no way in hell the Cardinals are letting go a QB that got them to their only Super Bowl. They have already stated he will be back. You don't do negotiations during the playoffs.

Frankie · 01-24-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm sure you thought the same thing about the dolphins after last season.

This league is set up for quick fixes if the men making the decisions make the right ones. I think our braintrust is more than capable of putting a 9-7, 10-6 team on the field next season, and deliver a home PO game in 2010.

It happens every year.

Not to mention Atlanta. We had two teams who picked in the top three of the draft who made the playoffs.

**kysirsoze** · 01-24-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

7 years ago sure

He still looks pretty damn good. I think he could work while we groom our franchise guy. This one's too close for me to call. I'll to defer to Pioli

01-24-2009, 12:58 PM
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	If not Shanahan.. ... then it might really be the case that Todd Haley is the candidate Pioli is focusing on. With that in mind, somebody posted this article/editorial on another Chiefs forum which I found kind of interesting: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...th-kansas-city Ten Reasons Kurt Warner Will Sign with Kansas City The Kansas City Chiefs fired coach Herm Edwards after posting a 15-34 record in three seasons, including 2-14 this season. Since the hiring of Scott Pioli as general manager, it has been rumored that changes within the organization will occur. Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan's name continues to surface as a possibility of becoming the next head coach; however, it remains unlikely Shanahan will be coaching in Kansas City next season. After the Super Bowl, the Chiefs will seek permission to talk with Arizona offensive coordinator Todd Haley regarding the vacant coaching position. Haley's stock has flourished in conjunction with the Cardinals run through the NFC playoffs and the team's first ever Super Bowl appearance. Both Haley and Pioli have one major connection: Bill Parcells. Only three NFL franchises have posted worse records than the Chiefs in the past three years; Detroit, Oakland and St. Louis. Kansas City has traditionally been a winning franchise until recently. Since the Chiefs play in a weak AFC West division, the possibility of turning the franchise around in a shorter period of time increases. If the Chiefs decide to hire Haley as head coach, he will bring the explosive passing offense from Arizona to Kansas City. Haley needs a gunslinger for a quarterback and balance at the wide receiver position to be successful. Mel Kiper has posted his 2009 mock NFL draft on espn.com. Right now, Kiper has the Chiefs selecting USC quarterback Matt Sanchez at No. 3. Kansas City does need to upgrade the quarterback position, but Kiper based this selection on Edwards still being coach. The hiring of Haley will probably lead the team to select Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree with the No. 3 pick. Realistically, Haley wants a quick turnaround with the franchise and drafting a QB will slow him down. Crabtree provides Haley with a balanced wide receiver attack, similar to Larry Fitzgerald and Anquin Boldin in Arizona, with Dwayne Bowe and future hall-of-fame TE Tony Gonzalez. The Chiefs already have RB Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles in place. Ultimately, Haley will be seeking a free-agent quarterback. If Kansas City does hire Haley as head coach, the following 10 reasons represent why Kurt Warner will be the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback next season: 1. Haley is head coach 2. Warner has familiarity with Haley's offensive system 3. Warner is an unrestricted free-agent 4. Economic decision by Arizona Cardinals. Matt Leinart was No. 10 pick in 2006 NFL Draft and makes a substantial amount of money as a back-up. Can't keep him on the bench much longer. 5. At 37, seeking a potential two-year deal to finish career 6. Guarantee starting quarterback job 7. Gets to throw to Bowe, Crabtree and Gonzalez 8. Play in a weak AFC West division 9. Opportunity to play in the Midwest (originally from Cedar Rapids, Iowa) 10. Irony. Began NFL career in Missouri (St. Louis); will end NFL career in Missouri (Kansas City) If that turns out to be true, do you think the Chiefs will go after someone like Harrell or Freeman as a 2 year grooming project? I guess I will be watching the Senior Bowl today with the extra incentive of watching Harrell and the rest of the Senior QBs.
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sparkky Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10004900	I'm figuring in the factor of many new coaches and new schemes. I don't think young guys adapt to system changes as quickly as older vets. I agree, we were "competitive" in individual games. I consider finishing with a .500 or better record record as being "competitive." I'm more interested in competing for titles than in individual games. "At the end of the day" (sorry guys, couldn't stop myself!) when you finish like we did, you're not competitive. I agree that we have some young talent and potential on the team. While Herm had several short comings, I do think he had a decent eye for talent. I'm on board with spending cash, I just don't know that Warner is the place to do it. Peppers, bring him on!!
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