Chiefs Haley reminds me of....

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 02:34 PM

Brian Billick.

Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter.

Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good.

The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that.

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 02:35 PM

Chan Gailey was a massive, massive failure as a HC.

I do not want to play musical chairs with coaches each year. Hire the guy you want leading this team for the next 5 years this year.

It better not be Gailey.

**Manila-Chief** · 01-24-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Brian Billick.

Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter.

Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good.

The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that.

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

Why hire a loser? Chan has never won as a HC.

And, no they should not hire an interim HC. If they were going to do that they should have kept Herm on for the last year of his contract. They should get "their" coach so he can help Pioli build the team. You can hire a coach now ... have a draft/FA's and then start all over next year.

**Bugeater** · 01-24-2009, 02:43 PM

OMGWTF

**Bowser** · 01-24-2009, 02:53 PM

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OMGWTF

With a little BBQKFCJFC thrown in.

RustShack · 01-24-2009, 02:58 PM

I wouldn't mind a young Billick. Especially one that hires a good OC.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Chan Gailey was a massive, massive failure as a HC.

I do not want to play musical chairs with coaches each year. Hire the guy you want leading this team for the next 5 years this year.

It better not be Gailey.

There is not a coach like that available.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Chan Gailey was a massive, massive failure as a HC.

I do not want to play musical chairs with coaches each year. Hire the guy you want leading this team for the next 5 years this year.

It better not be Gailey.

Gailey was not a great HC with the cowboys but he did make the playoffs both years that he was there as head coach. He could be good with a good defensive coordinator. Not my ideal choice, but with his experience with the offense, he could continue to develop the offense with better lineman.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

There is not a coach like that available.

Of course there is.

Did you think Mike Smith could lead the Falcons to the playoffs with a rookie QB?

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Gailey was not a great HC with the cowboys but he did make the playoffs both years that he was there as head coach. He could be good with a good defensive coordinator. Not my ideal choice, but with his experience with the offense, he could continue to develop the offense with better lineman.

He had an insane amount of talent with the Cowboys.

He was ****ing awful as a college coach, and it took him about 8 weeks to figure out his offense wasn't working.

**Bowser** · 01-24-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Gailey was not a great HC with the cowboys but he did make the playoffs both years that he was there as head coach. He could be good with a good defensive coordinator. Not my ideal choice, but with his experience with the offense, he could continue to develop the offense with better lineman.

Hell, YOU could have made the playoffs with the Cowboys' roster then. They won the Super Bowl with Barry freaking Switzer, fer crissakes.

RustShack · 01-24-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

There is not a coach like that available.

Thats what Patriots fans thought about Billichick at first and same with Colts fans thought about Dungy... since both weren't that good the first time around.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Thats what Patriots fans thought about Billichick at first and same with Colts fans thought about Dungy... since both weren't that good the first time around.

So, are you saying that I'm right about Gailey since Belichick and Dungy were both fired from previous coaching positions before becoming successful? Belichick had one winning season with the Browns in five seasons. Dungy was more successful than Belichick in his previous head coaching job with the Bucs, but the Bucs still fired him.

Haley doesn't have any head coaching experience, so I don't see how this relates to him.

FloridaMan88 · 01-24-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

So basically your strategy is for the Chiefs to essentially not compete until they can get a proven coach?

What if they hire Gailey and the Chiefs go 9-7 next year. Under your plan, you would favor the Chiefs firing Gailey and hiring Cowher or Shanahan?

Is your plan advocating essentially naming Gailing as an interim head coach until they can hire a head coach like Cowher?

Do you realize how brain-dead your idea looks?

Seriously

RustShack · 01-24-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

So, are you saying that I'm right about Gailey since Belichick and Dungy were both fired from previous coaching positions before becoming successful? Belichick had one winning season with the Browns in five seasons. Dungy was more successful than Belichick in his previous head coaching job with the Bucs, but the Bucs still fired him.

Haley doesn't have any head coaching experience, so I don't see how this relates to him.

In a way, but personally I would rather not promote someone to HC from a 2-14 team. Especially when you look at the talent Gailey has had compared to what those two had with their first teams.

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kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4936719	Haley reminds me of.... Brian Billick. Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter. Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good. The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that. The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.
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