Chiefs Brian Harold Billick next HC for KC ???

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-26-2009, 09:33 PM

Billick gets a bad rap because he's a supposed "offensive genius" and his Ravens teams were lacking on offense.

His mistake was putting faith in Matt Cavanaugh as his OC, and his personnel department never getting him a legit QB.

The Ravens always hit on their defensive draft picks, but for the most part, whiffed on their offensive picks. Billick seems to take the blame for that.

I personally think Billick is a hell of a gameday coach - and on the occasions where he took over the playcalling from Cavanaugh, the offense responded.

Much like getting Shanahan a solid DC, I think if you pair Billick with a solid OC (or let him call his own plays), he'd be a damn good choice.

milkman · 01-26-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Billick gets a bad rap because he's a supposed "offensive genius" and his Ravens teams were lacking on offense.

His mistake was putting faith in Matt Cavanaugh as his OC, and his personnel department never getting him a legit QB.

The Ravens always hit on their defensive draft picks, but for the most part, whiffed on their offensive picks. Billick seems to take the blame for that.

I personally think Billick is a hell of a gameday coach - and on the occasions where he took over the playcalling from Cavanaugh, the offense responded.

Much like getting Shanahan a solid DC, I think if you pair Billick with a solid OC (or let him call his own plays), he'd be a damn good choice.

You know, Billick with a GM who can find him the talent on both sides of the ball isn't really that bad of an idea at all.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-26-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You know, Billick with a GM who can find him the talent on both sides of the ball isn't really that bad of an idea at all.

My sarcasm meter has been on the fritz, so I'm going to assume you're agreeing with me.

Seriously - look at who they hit on the offensive side of the ball:

Jonathan Ogden and Jamal Lewis. Todd Heap would count if he could stay healthy.

Otherwise, Newsome really let Billick down. Awful, awful picks on the offensive side of the ball. The next best picks were Casey Rabach and Edwin Mulitalo, who were backups for most of Billick's time.

milkman · 01-26-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

My sarcasm meter has been on the fritz, so I'm going to assume you're agreeing with me.

Seriously - look at who they hit on the offensive side of the ball:

Jonathan Ogden and Jamal Lewis. Todd Heap would count if he could stay healthy.

Otherwise, Newsome really let Billick down. Awful, awful picks on the offensive side of the ball. The next best picks were Casey Rabach and Edwin Mulitalo, who were backups for most of Billick's time.

Yes, I was agreeing.
No sarcasm at all.

I do think Billick gets a bad rap, as you said.

Just look at his QBs.
Dilfer, GrBac and Boller.

That's Carl pathetic.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-26-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yes, I was agreeing.
No sarcasm at all.

I do think Billick gets a bad rap, as you said.

Just look at his QBs.
Dilfer, GrBac and Boller.

That's Carl pathetic.

Don't forget Anthony Wright and Chris Redman.

**RealSNR** · 01-26-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Billick gets a bad rap because he's a supposed "offensive genius" and his Ravens teams were lacking on offense.

His mistake was putting faith in Matt Cavanaugh as his OC, and his personnel department never getting him a legit QB.

The Ravens always hit on their defensive draft picks, but for the most part, whiffed on their offensive picks. Billick seems to take the blame for that.

I personally think Billick is a hell of a gameday coach - and on the occasions where he took over the playcalling from Cavanaugh, the offense responded.

Much like getting Shanahan a solid DC, I think if you pair Billick with a solid OC (or let him call his own plays), he'd be a damn good choice.

This. He might be overrated as an offense coach, but his teams were all about common sense. The Ravens were a feared team when he was coach because he was a great gameday coach. He's everything Herm Edwards isn't.

**DeezNutz** · 01-26-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Billick gets a bad rap because he's a supposed "offensive genius" and his Ravens teams were lacking on offense.

His mistake was putting faith in Matt Cavanaugh as his OC, and his personnel department never getting him a legit QB.

The Ravens always hit on their defensive draft picks, but for the most part, whiffed on their offensive picks. Billick seems to take the blame for that.

I personally think Billick is a hell of a gameday coach - and on the occasions where he took over the playcalling from Cavanaugh, the offense responded.

Much like getting Shanahan a solid DC, I think if you pair Billick with a solid OC (or let him call his own plays), he'd be a damn good choice.

How much say did he have in personnel decisions, though? Being an "offensive guy," it seems odd that he wouldn't have had a huge say in whom the team would draft on that side of the ball, especially at QB.

He's got to own this right? Talking strictly about player acquisitions, I'm not sure I see the difference in excusing Billick for the offensive failings and excusing Herm for some of the defensive failings in KC. Carl just didn't get the right players. Herm put too much faith in Gun. See what I mean?

I don't know that much about the Ravens, so perhaps someone could tell me where I'm going wrong?

In no way am I comparing Herm and BB as far as game-day strategy, just to be extra clear.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-26-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How much say did he have in personnel decisions, though? Being an "offensive guy," it seems odd that he wouldn't have had a huge say in whom the team would draft on that side of the ball, especially at QB.

He's got to own this right? Talking strictly about player acquisitions, I'm not sure I see the difference in excusing Billick for the offensive failings and excusing Herm for some of the defensive failings in KC. Carl just didn't get the right players. Herm put too much faith in Gun. See what I mean?

I don't know that much about the Ravens, so perhaps someone could tell me where I'm going wrong.

In no way am I comparing Herm and BB as far as game-day strategy, just to be extra clear.

I've followed the Ravens as closely as any NFL team not named "Chiefs" since Billick was hired.

Billick and his coaches gave Newsome and the staff suggestions, but ultimately, it was always Newsome's call. Billick gave Newsome free-reign after getting pissed about a trade with Atlanta that sent Baltimore's 2nd round pick in 1999 to the Falcons for their 1st in 2000.

Atlanta ended up sucking ass in 2000, and the Ravens turned that pick into Jamal Lewis.

From that moment on, Billick always deferred to Newsome on personnel matters.

**DeezNutz** · 01-26-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've followed the Ravens as closely as any NFL team not named "Chiefs" since Billick was hired.

Billick and his coaches gave Newsome and the staff suggestions, but ultimately, it was always Newsome's call. Billick gave Newsome free-reign after getting pissed about a trade with Atlanta that sent Baltimore's 2nd round pick in 1999 to the Falcons for their 1st in 2000.

Atlanta ended up sucking ass in 2000, and the Ravens turned that pick into Jamal Lewis.

From that moment on, Billick always deferred to Newsome on personnel matters.

Great information. I didn't know any of this.

I follow Baltimore only so much as they're covered on the Sunday pre-game shows.

Sounds like my perception of BB might be completely ****ing wrong.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-26-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Great information. I didn't know any of this.

I follow Baltimore only so much as they're covered on the Sunday pre-game shows.

Sounds like my perception of BB might be completely ****ing wrong.

If you like to read, I highly recommend "Next Man Up" by John Feinstein.

He spends a season inside the Ravens organization - all access.

Really good read, IMO.

**DeezNutz** · 01-26-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If you like to read, I highly recommend "Next Man Up" by John Feinstein.

He spends a season inside the Ravens organization - all access.

Really good read, IMO.

I'm a reader.

I'll check it out. Thanks.

Mecca · 01-26-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If you like to read, I highly recommend "Next Man Up" by John Feinstein.

He spends a season inside the Ravens organization - all access.

Really good read, IMO.

Does he ask Billick why he wears a leather jacket on the sideline? Is it to look like he's cool?

Ebolapox · 01-26-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Does he ask Billick why he wears a leather jacket on the sideline? Is it to look like he's cool?

if only he had long lustrous hair. then, that jacket would work.

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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	Billick gets a bad rap because he's a supposed "offensive genius" and his Ravens teams were lacking on offense. His mistake was putting faith in Matt Cavanaugh as his OC, and his personnel department never getting him a legit QB. The Ravens always hit on their defensive draft picks, but for the most part, whiffed on their offensive picks. Billick seems to take the blame for that. I personally think Billick is a hell of a gameday coach - and on the occasions where he took over the playcalling from Cavanaugh, the offense responded. Much like getting Shanahan a solid DC, I think if you pair Billick with a solid OC (or let him call his own plays), he'd be a damn good choice.
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