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[The Franchise]

November 6th 2008.

1st round - Kansas City Chiefs: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
If you're not a Chiefs fan, chances are you won't know this. OK, guess how many sacks Kansas City's defense has as a whole this season.

Fifteen? Way off. Ten? Nope. Five? Not even!

The Chiefs have four sacks on the year! Four freaking sacks! They foolishly traded away Jared Allen prior to the 2008 Draft, while moving Tamba Hali to right end failed miserably. Hali, now back at left end, needs a dominant pass-rusher across from him to once again play at his 2007 level.

That man can be Brian Orakpo. Through nine games, Orakpo has 13.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks, as he's established himself as the premier defensive end in this draft class. Kansas City's young defense would greatly benefit from having him rushing the opposing quarterback.

Quarterback was an option, but Tyler Thigpen has played extremely well the past two weeks, so the Chiefs could have something with him.


2nd round - Kansas City Chiefs: Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
Napoleon Harris was Kansas City's middle linebacker when the season began. That failed miserably, as Harris was cut a few weeks ago. Pat Thomas took Harris' spot, and based on Kansas City's defensive rankings - click here for accurate NFL Run, Pass Defensive Rankings - it hasn't exactly worked out too well.


3rd round - Kansas City Chiefs: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
If Tyler Thigpen keeps improving and proves to be Kansas City's quarterback of the future, he'll need another receiver to throw to besides Dwayne Bowe. Bowe and Derrick Williams would be an awesome receiver combination, assuming the latter pans out.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Mecca, what is your take on the trade down possibility? Is it conceivable to trade down to the 5-8 range and still nab Sanchez or Stafford? If so, whom do you think is the most realistic candidate for wanting to trade to the 3 spot?

I just don't see it as possible you're going to ask a team to give up basically 3 or 4 high picks, not to mention you just dropped below Cincinatti and Cleveland so it's risky.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by jeffp12

I'm sorry, but there's no way Sanchez was in as tough a spot as Ryan was at BC. Maybe he didn't have top prospects around him like Leinart did but it's freakin USC they recruit like nobody's business. BC on the other hand...not so much.

I would much rather be taking a guy from I-AA Delaware who wasn't surrounded by one of the best teams in the country.

Look at the record

last year Flacco from Delaware, Ryan from BC both are instant hits.

2007 Jamarcus from powerhouse LSU hasn't done much, Brady Quinn at Notre Dame, I know they have been sucking, but they still recruit very well.

2006 you have Vince Young from Texas, Matt Leinart from USC, and who's the successful one? Cutler from Vanderbilt..

Eli went to Ole Miss, a good team, but in a strong SEC, he was certainly tested.

Rivers went to NC State, they're not that great.

Roethlisberger went to Miami of Ohio.

Kyle Boller went to CAl, Rex Grossman Florida. Not so good.

Carson Palmer is the exception.

Recent history doesn't favor the QBs from top schools.

Way to not take circumstance and situation into the factor here lol, that's one of the funniest things I've ever read you want me to pick it apart because I'm pretty sure you realize how flawed it is...

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I just don't see it as possible you're going to ask a team to give up basically 3 or 4 high picks, not to mention you just dropped below Cincinatti and Cleveland so it's risky.

If Cincy gave up on Palmer, I think that would be beyond stupid. I also don't know that the Browns would be willing to draft a QB after giving Anderson his fat sack o cash.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

If Cincy gave up on Palmer, I think that would be beyond stupid. I also don't know that the Browns would be willing to draft a QB after giving Anderson his fat sack o cash.

I'm talking about them giving up their pick to a team that wants a QB.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm talking about them giving up their pick to a team that wants a QB.

That is much more logical than my thought. Thanks for clarifying.

[jeffp12]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Way to not take circumstance and situation into the factor here lol, that's one of the funniest things I've ever read you want me to pick it apart because I'm pretty sure you realize how flawed it is...

Ok lets see.

Russell got saddled with the Raiders, give him time. Though Ryan and Flacco both went to teams with terrible records last year. Vince Young and Matt Leinart though are both on teams that got to the 2nd round of the playoffs with them on the bench. Give me a good reason why circumstances have been against them succeeding when their teams are succeeding with them on the bench. While Cutler has been doing a pretty good job in Denver.

Boller and Grossman were both in big-time college programs and went to teams with solid defenses that just asked them to manage the games and they couldn't do that too well. Grossman got to a super bowl, but he's certainly not a big reason why they got that far. Boller has failed miserably and had Flacco step into roughly the same situation and do extremely well. So where's my obviously flawed logic at?

[Mecca]

Vince Young is from the spread, wanna quickly tell me the success rate of those QB's yea, that's also why thinking Thigpen is the answer is funnier than shit...just gloss over that though.

Matt Leinart is system limited he was drafted by Dennis Green to play in the WCO which he can do, when Whisenhunt took over and put in vertical passing Leinart couldn't play he doesn't have the arm, I don't see you mentioning that...

Boller was a 3rd round pick till he worked out and threw a ball 50 yards threw the uprights off his knees...He was the QB at Cal when Tedford got there and never had good numbers his career completion percentage was under 50...once again way to gloss over that.

Rex Grossman, a Florida Steve Spurrier QB what more can be said there?

Russell would be a top 5 pick basically in any year he entered the draft, sometimes they work out sometimes they don't but obviously being picked by the Raiders doesn't help.

And for your other comments saying Flacco from where he was from guess what, Flacco was the same thing Boller was a 3rd round pick that rose on workouts and arm strength those types of picks are extremely risky. Not to mention you have the questions of he transferred out because he couldn't be out Tyler Palko and playing where he did brings up the didn't face good competition question..

You're just glossing over a ton of stuff it's not simply big program small program.

[jeffp12]

my point is that the success of a QB is very much based on the quality of the offensive line. Heisman Trophy QB's don't have a high success rate because they basically have to have an amazing line to put up the numbers to win the trophy in the first place. Give me the guy that can win games, not put up ridiculous numbers. I want the guy who has experience with being pressured, having to move around in the pocket, not have playmakers that are far and away better than the defense they are facing. Give me the guy that has shown his toughness and ability to stand in the pocket, not the guy that put up big numbers at a football factory college.

[Mecca]

I don't really see what the issue here is with the top 2 QB's this year they bring everything you can ask for.

[jeffp12]

I think Stafford is wayyy better than Sanchez. The SEC defenses are so tough, the guy has been tested.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by jeffp12

I think Stafford is wayyy better than Sanchez. The SEC defenses are so tough, the guy has been tested.

Stafford earned the right to be drafted higher I said that before...but Sanchez is right behind him and has the potential to be just as good if not better, they are both better prospects than Sam Bradford is.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

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And if you even mentioning taking a OT with the 3rd pick I'm gonna go apeshit on you.

I hate this.. but the FACT is... OT is probably the best VALUE at #3... even though it is stupid for US... it is damn hard to argue that there is ANY player (other than an OT) that is a good value at #3... ok maybe Stafford... and Sanchez MAY be ok... if he bucks the trend of junior QB busts...

[Mecca]

Still you shouldn't make a pick based on fear, what if you pass on Sanchez and he becomes a great player?

Then your franchise looks stupid.

Gil Brandt who worked for the Cowboys said Jimmy Johnson gave consideration to Tony Mandarich saying maybe he's the way to go maybe we should want to control the line and be physical.

And all the personnel people told him if you do that you're going to be thought of as the biggest laughing stock in the league.

And obviously they took Aikman.

[jeffp12]

We could have had Flacco last year. Do we look stupid for going with Branden Albert?

[jeffp12]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Still you shouldn't make a pick based on fear, what if you pass on Sanchez and he becomes a great player?

Then your franchise looks stupid.

Gil Brandt who worked for the Cowboys said Jimmy Johnson gave consideration to Tony Mandarich saying maybe he's the way to go maybe we should want to control the line and be physical.

And all the personnel people told him if you do that you're going to be thought of as the biggest laughing stock in the league.

And obviously they took Aikman.

It's not fear, it's playing the odds.

Mandarich was a roid riddled goon.

Personally If I was the chiefs I would try to trade down as much as we could, get as many picks as possible and then take James Lauranitis cause he seems to me to be the best bet to be a perennial pro bowler. Then with all those other picks you can go crazy taking risks and filling as many holes as possible. There's surely some decent QB prospects to be had in later rounds.