McShays updated top 10 draft.

[melbar]

Per ESPNnews


1. Lions
Matt Stafford QB

2. Rams
Jason Smith OT

3. Chiefs
Aaron Curry LB

4. Seahawks
B.J. Raji DT

5. Browns
Malcolm Jenkins CB

6. Bengals
Andre Smith OT

7. Raiders
Mike Crabtree WR

8. Jaguars
Jeremy Maclin WR

9. Packers
Eugene Monroe OT

10. 49ers
Mark Sanchez QB


I like the Curry pick. Jason Smith at 2 supprised me...

[Great Expectations]

Ryan Leaf had potential, Peyton Manning was drafted on what a guy is.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs don't have 4-3 or 3-4 personnel.......no matter what scheme they decide to go with nearly every player in the front 7 will be replaced either way.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs don't have 4-3 or 3-4 personnel.......no matter what scheme they decide to go with nearly every player in the front 7 will be replaced either way.

Maybe eventually but that certainly won't happen overnight.

McBride, Tyler, Dorsey and Hali will be a part of the Chiefs defense for the next several years, regardless of scheme.

Derrick Johnson is the only average linebacker on the roster so I'm assuming he stays.

But he can go for all I care. While he's not a bust, he certainly hasn't performed even close to the level of the #15 overall pick in the draft.

[Mecca]

An entire roster can be changed very quickly, it's not like there's anyone in place right now...

If this team goes to 3-4 Tamba Hali has no position hell he doesn't have a position in a 4-3 either.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

An entire roster can be changed very quickly, it's not like there's anyone in place right now...

If this team goes to 3-4 Tamba Hali has no position hell he doesn't have a position in a 4-3 either.

Yeah but come on, Dude. As much as you hate guys like Hali and McBride, the Chiefs aren't going to find suitable replacements in free agency or with only seven draft picks.

The transformation will take a couple of years.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs don't have 4-3 or 3-4 personnel.......no matter what scheme they decide to go with nearly every player in the front 7 will be replaced either way.

Wow!

We actually agree on something Mecca!

Better get it out of the way before the draft and free agency start...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That's a bit melodramatic. Hali is at least a league average LE, if not slightly above average. Dorsey has the potential to be an all-pro DT. Tyler, I don't really know. He could be an above average player in a 4-3.

The biggest problem is that the defense has no RDE, or any linebackers other than Johnson, who himself isn't much to sneeze at.

With that being said, our players have been playing in an antiquated scheme that does not suit their talents. This team should at the very least, run a base 4-3 with more of a blitzing element for a year.

We aren't going to be any good next year, anyway, and we aren't going to get a 12-14 sack guy with the value in this draft.

Get the QB, fix the right side of the line, another skill position player, and part of the linebacking corps. Next year, finish up the LBs and add your premier pass rusher.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's a bit melodramatic. Hali is at least a league average LE, if not slightly above average. Dorsey has the potential to be an all-pro DT. Tyler, I don't really know. He could be an above average player in a 4-3.

The biggest problem is that the defense has no RDE, or any linebackers other than Johnson, who himself isn't much to sneeze at.

With that being said, our players have been playing in an antiquated scheme that does not suit their talents. This team should at the very least, run a base 4-3 with more of a blitzing element for a year.

We aren't going to be any good next year, anyway, and we aren't going to get a 12-14 sack guy with the value in this draft.

Get the QB, fix the right side of the line, another skill position player, and part of the linebacking corps. Next year, finish up the LBs and add your premier pass rusher.

****ING THIS.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's a bit melodramatic. Hali is at least a league average LE, if not slightly above average. Dorsey has the potential to be an all-pro DT. Tyler, I don't really know. He could be an above average player in a 4-3.

The biggest problem is that the defense has no RDE, or any linebackers other than Johnson, who himself isn't much to sneeze at.

With that being said, our players have been playing in an antiquated scheme that does not suit their talents. This team should at the very least, run a base 4-3 with more of a blitzing element for a year.

We aren't going to be any good next year, anyway, and we aren't going to get a 12-14 sack guy with the value in this draft.

Get the QB, fix the right side of the line, another skill position player, and part of the linebacking corps. Next year, finish up the LBs and add your premier pass rusher.

I mostly agree with you.

Would you concede drafting a DE altogether though? Or just temper your enthusiasm that you'll find an elite pass rusher this year?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah but come on, Dude. As much as you hate guys like Hali and McBride, the Chiefs aren't going to find suitable replacements in free agency or with only seven draft picks.

The transformation will take a couple of years.

If we stay with a 43 base, then Hali is a solid, albeit unspectacular, RDE.

If, however, we switch to a 34, he has no place.

He isn't big or strong enough to hold down a DE spot, nor is he fast enough to play LB.

His only place is as a DE is a hybrid 43/34, until teh transition is complete.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I mostly agree with you.

Would you concede drafting a DE altogether though? Or just temper your enthusiasm that you'll find an elite pass rusher this year?

I have no problem with drafting a DE, or any player, if the value is there. We aren't going to get the return on results with a top 3 pick this year if we use it on a DE.

The big problem, and something I think people need to get past, is the idea that there is a true 3 down DE in the draft this year, or that they are all that common. People need to start thinking about End by committee. I have no problem getting a guy in the middle rounds who is a speed rusher extraordinaire who can't defend the run for shit.

Hell, I wouldn't mind drafting a guy like Kyle Moore as a first and second down end and using another pick on a speed demon for third down.

You can't just have four ends anyway.

Then, next year, if you have a chance to draft an elite RDE, you take him, and can still put your speedster on the left side in passing situations, or mix and match, moving McBride inside in those situations.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's a bit melodramatic. Hali is at least a league average LE, if not slightly above average. Dorsey has the potential to be an all-pro DT. Tyler, I don't really know. He could be an above average player in a 4-3.

The biggest problem is that the defense has no RDE, or any linebackers other than Johnson, who himself isn't much to sneeze at.

With that being said, our players have been playing in an antiquated scheme that does not suit their talents. This team should at the very least, run a base 4-3 with more of a blitzing element for a year.

We aren't going to be any good next year, anyway, and we aren't going to get a 12-14 sack guy with the value in this draft.

Get the QB, fix the right side of the line, another skill position player, and part of the linebacking corps. Next year, finish up the LBs and add your premier pass rusher.

I agree with you here, but I also agree with Mecca on the fact that we do not really have good players for 43 or 34. We lack a ton of talent. I agree we will not just cut all our 1st and 2nd rounders. I would really like us to switch to a 34 since it seems to give teams a little more versatility, and the college DE's coming out now are all OLB. They are built for speed to disrupt the spread O-bonanza, that is the NCAA.

I think it would give us a better chance of finding 'our' guy in the draft year in and year out. That being said, I think if we signed a player like Suggs who could play OLB in the 34, but can play RDE as well in the 43, would be an ideal pick up. We could run a base 34, but have the benefit of being able to go to a 43 front if it helps us in a game. I know Dorsey is a cover 2 DT, but the cover 2 doesnt cut it anymore, so he will have to adapt, and with great coaching I think he can do great at the RDE in a 34. He would have basically the same assignment he had at LSU as their DT. Crash the line on run plays, shed the block and stop the runner. He was known for his ability to hold the point of attack and crash down the line when the play was away from him in college, that is what we would be asking of him form the DE postion. On passing plays, it would essentially be what he was doing before as well. Splitting a double team and trying to get to the QB.

Tank is average no matter what. Turk is best in the 34 as a DE, Boone as well. DJ would probably benefit from playing the ILB in a 34. On top of that they all have played the 43 now, which gives the team the added bonus of being able to play both for a year. We have money to get LB's in FA, and we can draft DE prospect in the 2nd (QB in the first). Our corners can lock down in man (as evidenced this year from the lack of pressure on the QB-- we werent always in zone).

I think we can go either way, I just hope we go 34 to benefit us more down the road. Just my $.02.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

I dont care how good Curry is, the value is shitty, when you take a LB at the number 3 pick

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

I dont care how good Curry is, the value is shitty, when you take a LB at the number 3 pick

The value of a pick is measured before and on draft day. That is only percieved value though. It's like DV said about Jared Allen. He turned out to be a steal in the 4th round but had we known how good he would be we would have drafted him in the 1st. If teams knew that Ray Lewis was gonna be the player he turned out to be he would have been the 1st pick in the draft. If Curry gets drafted in the top five and turns out like Lewis then he was a great value pick. DJ was a great value pick when we picked him in the teens but at this point his percieved value wasn't as great as his play till now.



PhilFree

[bigdreams1]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's a bit melodramatic. Hali is at least a league average LE, if not slightly above average. Dorsey has the potential to be an all-pro DT. Tyler, I don't really know. He could be an above average player in a 4-3.

The biggest problem is that the defense has no RDE, or any linebackers other than Johnson, who himself isn't much to sneeze at.

With that being said, our players have been playing in an antiquated scheme that does not suit their talents. This team should at the very least, run a base 4-3 with more of a blitzing element for a year.

We aren't going to be any good next year, anyway, and we aren't going to get a 12-14 sack guy with the value in this draft.

Get the QB, fix the right side of the line, another skill position player, and part of the linebacking corps. Next year, finish up the LBs and add your premier pass rusher.

Exactly...to say Hali can't play LE is ludicrous look at his past two years before this year. Thank God you wrote this before this thread got blown out of proportion.