Chiefs Hypothetical trade scenario.... - Page 2

Fat Elvis · 02-06-2009, 02:39 PM

Do you think the Iggles would trade their #20 and 27 draft picks this year and next year's 1st round draft pick for our #3 and Larry Johnson?

This might be a win/win situation for both teams. The draft picks would probably come out to the same value approximately. We get rid of Larry Johnson while at the same time get a couple of much needed first round draft picks. The Iggles get their two most pressing needs as they make one more run for the Superbowl, a running back and (presumably) a star WR in Crabtree.

sedated · 02-06-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

You are reading impaired, huh? Where does it say that he has first round value? Using the draft chart, it would say that he has a low 4th round value. (26th pick in the 4th round)

a team can trade a top 3 pick for 2 lower first rounders, or a first-rounder this year and one next year.

you said 3 first-rounders total.

you are thinking impaired, huh?

keg in kc · 02-06-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

The #3 pick has a value of 2200 points.

The #20 pick has a value of 850
The #27 pick has a value of 680

Assuming the Iggles make it to the NFC Championship game, thier pick would be worth 620 points

2200 points vs 2150? And getting LJ? They are $25M under the cap, they can take his salary.

You can throw the chart out.

This isn't the kind of move the eagles would make, history says. They get rid of players like LJ, they don't bring them in. They look for upside guys. Owens is the obvious exception to this, but LJ is not the kind of dominant player he was, and 30 isn't the same thing for a WR that is for a RB.

In any case, they needed to trade LJ 2 years ago. His value now is next to nothing. I wouldn't be entirely shocked to see him cut outright.

bevis369 · 02-06-2009, 02:53 PM

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Frankie · 02-06-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Why? What FE is suggesting is not likely to happen but he has a point there.

ChiefsCountry · 02-06-2009, 02:56 PM

Why in the hell would we want to drop out of #3, is the big question.

easymobee · 02-06-2009, 02:56 PM

LJ and the #3 pick would equal about 100 million dollars plus for the Eagles to foot the bill for, not so sure they'd want LJ included in a deal even if they were interested in the 3rd pick. They'd probably prefer to have Casey Printers be the throw in.
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Fat Elvis · 02-06-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

I think all future firsts have the same value, i.e. "undetermined first rounder"

you can't assume a team will go to the super bowl just to lower the value of next year's pick.

I think it is safe to assume that the Iggles won't be picking in the upper half of the draft next year. In that case, worse case scenario, the Iggles lose out on 300 points of draft value...still the equivalent of a 3rd rounder....

Frankie · 02-06-2009, 02:58 PM

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Why in the hell would we want to drop out of #3, is the big question.

Because there's no one we desparately need worth the 3rd position.

ChiefsCountry · 02-06-2009, 02:59 PM

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Because there's no one we desparately need worth the 3rd position.

Bullshit. Draft isnt about need anyways, its why we are in the ****ing position we are now. I dont know why I spend time arguing with you, its like talking to a brick wall.

Frankie · 02-06-2009, 03:05 PM

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Bullshit. Draft isnt about need anyways.

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I dont know why I spend time arguing with you, its like talking to a brick wall.

You don't need to respond. That said, we have desperate needs at QB, LB and DE. Curry is the only one from those positions I see as anything close to a top 3 choice. So why not try to see if we could trade down to about 8-12 and go after Sanchez?

sedated · 02-06-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I think it is safe to assume that the Iggles won't be picking in the upper half of the draft next year.

I bet the same was said about the Browns, Jaguars, Seahawks, and Packers last year.

sedated · 02-06-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

You don't need to respond. That said, we have desperate needs at QB, LB and DE. Curry is the only one from those positions I see as anything close to a top 3 choice. So why not try to see if we could trade down to about 8-12 and go after Sanchez?

Going after "need" in the first round is what keeps teams picking in the top 10 year after year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-06-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

I think all future firsts have the same value, i.e. "undetermined first rounder"

you can't assume a team will go to the super bowl just to lower the value of next year's pick.

and they might have cap space for LJ's salary, but they don't have the patience for his bullshit. I doubt many do. He'll get cut and sign a minimal deal somewhere. If he were a baseball player, no one would give him more than a minor-league contract.

"Next year's first" has the value of a second rounder, so the points don't even add up. Plus, by trading him, his bonuses are accelerated against our cap.

Frankie · 02-06-2009, 03:10 PM

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Going after "need" in the first round is what keeps teams picking in the top 10 year after year.

I disagree. The nature of every year and every team dictates the strategy. If you are a rebuilding team you try to fill holes. If you are a playoffs team you go BPA every damn draft. We do not yet have that luxury.

Fat Elvis · 02-06-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

"Next year's first" has the value of a second rounder, so the points don't even add up. Plus, by trading him, his bonuses are accelerated against our cap.

His bonuses are accelerated against our cap if we cut him too....

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