Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates

[CrazyHorse]

Started 16 games?!

So much for that QB arguement. That dude is way to green for the 3rd pick.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Started 16 games?!

So much for that QB arguement. That dude is way to green for the 3rd pick.

Yea that's the end all be all uh huh

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea that's the end all be all uh huh

It certainly means there is a small enough test sample for concern. You seem to be so ceratin he's (Sanchez) a slam dunk. It's a pretty risky proposition for the 3rd pick over all.

I will conceed however that I struggle to evaluate players the way you do. After 11 games you know everything there is to know about whether Thigpen can learn or play the pro game. Not only that, but now I've learned you have not only evaluated Sanchez after 16 games, but you have come to the conclusion, he can and will succeed at the pro level after only 16 games in college. Yeah, it's a no brainer. We're such fools.

You're special.

[Brock]

We need a quarterback. We're taking a quarterback. Deal with it.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Brock

We need a quarterback. We're taking a quarterback. Deal with it.

Not saying it 'won't' happen. But, look at Pioli's career. First, the Browns. While he was there, they drafted Eric Zeir (SP?) to be there QB of the future in the third round. I do not recall a first round QB. Could be mistaken.

With the Jets, they brought in Vinny Testeverde. I do not believe they drafted a first round QB. Pennington was a first rounder, but was not drafted until after Pioli had went to the Pats.

With the Pats, as we all know, Brady was a sixth and Cassel was a seventh.

Now, lets look at Haley.

With the Jets, no QB in the first round.

Chicago did draft Rex Grossman in Haley's last year there.... that's one.

In Dallas, they stuck with Drew Bledsoe and then developed an undrafted free agent.

And, in Arizona, with Matt Leinart sitting there waiting to play, Haley went with the grizzled vet that had his best years behind him. Oh, and note that Haley had no part in the drafting of Leinart.

Now, I would love to get the franchise QB. I don't believe Sanchez is the guy. I think Stafford will be gone. I won't bash the pick if the Chiefs go with Sanchez because I know to defer to them.

However, I don't believe that merely because we need a QB, the Chiefs will draft one in the first round.

I believe they will draft a QB nearly every year, just in the later rounds.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Not saying it 'won't' happen. But, look at Pioli's career. First, the Browns. While he was there, they drafted Eric Zeir (SP?) to be there QB of the future in the third round. I do not recall a first round QB. Could be mistaken.

With the Jets, they brought in Vinny Testeverde. I do not believe they drafted a first round QB. Pennington was a first rounder, but was not drafted until after Pioli had went to the Pats.

With the Pats, as we all know, Brady was a sixth and Cassel was a seventh.

Now, lets look at Haley.

With the Jets, no QB in the first round.

Chicago did draft Rex Grossman in Haley's last year there.... that's one.

In Dallas, they stuck with Drew Bledsoe and then developed an undrafted free agent.

And, in Arizona, with Matt Leinart sitting there waiting to play, Haley went with the grizzled vet that had his best years behind him. Oh, and note that Haley had no part in the drafting of Leinart.

Now, I would love to get the franchise QB. I don't believe Sanchez is the guy. I think Stafford will be gone. I won't bash the pick if the Chiefs go with Sanchez because I know to defer to them.

However, I don't believe that merely because we need a QB, the Chiefs will draft one in the first round.

I believe they will draft a QB nearly every year, just in the later rounds.

Here's what we know about Pioli, regarding his NE years.

Why were they firing low-round selections on QB's early in his tenure there? Oh yeah, because Drew Bledsoe, the #1 overall selection was starting.

After catching lightning in a bottle with Brady, there was, once again, no need to take a QB high.

What we do know, however, is that even though the team had great talent at the position, Bledsoe and then Brady, Pioli kept drafting QB's. That's how he acquired Cassel.

End result: we know Pioli values the position. Greatly.

Thank goodness. Expect the Chiefs to draft one with the #3 overall selection, since there are two worthy prospects on the board.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's what we know about Pioli, regarding his NE years.

Why were they firing low-round selections on QB's early in his tenure there? Oh yeah, because Drew Bledsoe, the #1 overall selection was starting.

After catching lightning in a bottle with Brady, there was, once again, no need to take a QB high.

What we do know, however, is that even though the team had great talent at the position, Bledsoe and then Brady, Pioli kept drafting QB's. That's how he acquired Cassel.

End result: we know Pioli values the position. Greatly.

Thank goodness. Expect the Chiefs to draft one with the #3 overall selection, since there are two worthy prospects on the board.

Hey, I hope that Sanchez is worth it. I would be thrilled if the Chiefs drafted a franchise QB. I just don't think he is.

It is all opinion as to how good Sanchez is. My ONLY argument is that this administration is smart enough not to reach for a position, just because they 'value' it.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's what we know about Pioli, regarding his NE years.

Why were they firing low-round selections on QB's early in his tenure there? Oh yeah, because Drew Bledsoe, the #1 overall selection was starting.

After catching lightning in a bottle with Brady, there was, once again, no need to take a QB high.

What we do know, however, is that even though the team had great talent at the position, Bledsoe and then Brady, Pioli kept drafting QB's. That's how he acquired Cassel.

End result: we know Pioli values the position. Greatly.

Thank goodness. Expect the Chiefs to draft one with the #3 overall selection, since there are two worthy prospects on the board.

Stafford is more worthy than Sanchez..........I wouldnt take a QB when his college coach is even saying that he's not ready. After one year starting those odds of him succeeding are horrible and the fact that we're picking #3 makes the Sanchez pick look foolish.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Not saying it 'won't' happen. But, look at Pioli's career. First, the Browns. While he was there, they drafted Eric Zeir (SP?) to be there QB of the future in the third round. I do not recall a first round QB. Could be mistaken.

With the Jets, they brought in Vinny Testeverde. I do not believe they drafted a first round QB. Pennington was a first rounder, but was not drafted until after Pioli had went to the Pats.

With the Pats, as we all know, Brady was a sixth and Cassel was a seventh.

Now, lets look at Haley.

With the Jets, no QB in the first round.

Chicago did draft Rex Grossman in Haley's last year there.... that's one.

In Dallas, they stuck with Drew Bledsoe and then developed an undrafted free agent.

And, in Arizona, with Matt Leinart sitting there waiting to play, Haley went with the grizzled vet that had his best years behind him. Oh, and note that Haley had no part in the drafting of Leinart.

Now, I would love to get the franchise QB. I don't believe Sanchez is the guy. I think Stafford will be gone. I won't bash the pick if the Chiefs go with Sanchez because I know to defer to them.

However, I don't believe that merely because we need a QB, the Chiefs will draft one in the first round.

I believe they will draft a QB nearly every year, just in the later rounds.

That might be the single most flawed logic post I've ever read.

Pioli didn't make the selections in New York and Cleveland, and we all know why he's never taken a QB high in New England - they already had a #1 overall in Bledsoe (who they gave a 10 year, $103M contract AFTER they drafted Brady) and then Brady. No need.

WTF would Haley have to do with draft selections, or for that matter, who the QB is?

That's the HC's call, not the ****ing WR's coach or OC.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

It certainly means there is a small enough test sample for concern. You seem to be so ceratin he's (Sanchez) a slam dunk. It's a pretty risky proposition for the 3rd pick over all.

I will conceed however that I struggle to evaluate players the way you do. After 11 games you know everything there is to know about whether Thigpen can learn or play the pro game. Not only that, but now I've learned you have not only evaluated Sanchez after 16 games, but you have come to the conclusion, he can and will succeed at the pro level after only 16 games in college. Yeah, it's a no brainer. We're such fools.

You're special.

*floor*

[Cormac]

There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells.

That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Cormac

There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells.

That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.

If this team takes a RB with a top 5 pick I'm giving up.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If this team takes a RB with a top 5 pick I'm giving up.

Eh, I'd be worried if Carl was still running the show. God knows who we'd end up with.

Two things you can count on with almost absolute certainty:

Pioli won't take a RB or RT at 3.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Cormac

There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells.

That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.

Thats why we need to trade down. This is not a strong top 10 class. Prob the weakest in quite some time.

I'd rather have Stafford than Sanchez if we go the QB route. But to be honest I'm not to thrilled about the QB class this season as well. But if we MUST get a QB this season then let if be Stafford, if DET takes him at #1, then say NO to Sanchez. Risking a #3 pick on someone who barely has college playing experience and is leaving college not because he's ready, but more so because of his stock in a weak QB class. His college coach is even saying that he's not ready. That's probably a better source of info than what most scouts can give.

Trade down, acquire more picks, theres less risk, and we have a lot of holes to fill. Lots of cap space to sign players etc. If this was a draft class that had no doubt hands down top3 talent, then I'd go after him, but this season I'm not seeing it, this is the weakest class of top talent in a while.

[Ralphy Boy]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Thats why we need to trade down. This is not a strong top 10 class. Prob the weakest in quite some time.

I'd rather have Stafford than Sanchez if we go the QB route. But to be honest I'm not to thrilled about the QB class this season as well. But if we MUST get a QB this season then let if be Stafford, if DET takes him at #1, then say NO to Sanchez. Risking a #3 pick on someone who barely has college playing experience and is leaving college not because he's ready, but more so because of his stock in a weak QB class. His college coach is even saying that he's not ready. That's probably a better source of info than what most scouts can give.

Trade down, acquire more picks, theres less risk, and we have a lot of holes to fill. Lots of cap space to sign players etc. If this was a draft class that had no doubt hands down top3 talent, then I'd go after him, but this season I'm not seeing it, this is the weakest class of top talent in a while.

The point is that it IS A VERY WEAK DRAFT and there isn't anyone worth trading up to get. You can only trade down when there is a player worth more to another team than to yours. You only trade into the top 5 if you have a can't miss prospect at a position of need.