Why does everyone keep saying we don't need a Tackle at #3? - Page 5

**jAZ** · 02-12-2009, 11:37 PM

We only have 1 sure-fire long-term answer at tackle on our roster. Ultimately we absolutely need 2 of them.

If we don't think that the QB that falls to us at #3 is worth the #3 pick and the tackle is there... why would anyone suggest that we pass him over? If he's also not worth the #3, that's one thing, but I see people saying we should pass on a tackle because we already have one.

Umm... I want to all-world tackles, please.

Mecca · 02-13-2009, 07:45 PM

If it's not a QB Jenkins is really the only other player you can justify based on team and positional value.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-13-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

That was specific for Dane. So you think it's Jenkins?

PhilFree

At this point in time (before the Combines), I'd agree with Mecca.

You have to admit, our secondary would rival the secondary of the 80's with Jenkins back there.

philfree · 02-13-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If it's not a QB Jenkins is really the only other player you can justify based on team and positional value.

I'm not against that. Jenkins never really was mentioned the few times I watched Ohio State play. That don't mean anything though.

PhilFree

Mecca · 02-13-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I'm not against that. Jenkins never really was mentioned the few times I watched Ohio State play. That don't mean anything though.

PhilFree

You should have seen him when they played Purdue he was the only reason they won...

B_Ambuehl · 02-13-2009, 08:43 PM

Maybe not a tackle at #3 due to what you'll have to pay him at that spot, but if you can take that pick and trade down to the 10-15 range and pick up an extra 1st or 2nd rounder there's no reason you wouldn't look at a tackle with one of those picks. Hell, Carolina spent 2 first rounders last year on Otah and they already had a franchise left tackle.

I would have no problem at all with this ball club trading down into the teens and picking up someone like a Michael Oher to play right tackle, providing they get at least another 2nd rounder out of the deal.

Mecca · 02-13-2009, 08:46 PM

Ah yes because trading out of the top 5 is easy...uh huh.

And if you'd drop 10 spots for just a 2nd rounder...I don't have words for the tardedness of that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-13-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Maybe not a tackle at #3 due to what you'll have to pay him at that spot, but if you can take that pick and trade down to the 10-15 range and pick up an extra 1st or 2nd rounder there's no reason you wouldn't look at a tackle with one of those picks. Hell, Carolina spent 2 first rounders last year on Otah and they already had a franchise left tackle.

I would have no problem at all with this ball club trading down into the teens and picking up someone like a Michael Oher to play right tackle, providing they get at least another 2nd rounder out of the deal.

If they trade down 10+ spots and only get a 2nd in return, things will get ugly around here.

I mean, they're only leaving 1700 points on the table. (equal to the 5th overall pick)

Mecca · 02-13-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If they trade down 10+ spots and only get a 2nd in return, things will get ugly around here.

I mean, they're only leaving 1700 points on the table. (equal to the 5th overall pick)

Why is is so god damn hard for people to understand if you trade out of 3 and drop more than 2 spots what you get back should be a ridiculous haul?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-13-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why is is so god damn hard for people to understand if you trade out of 3 and drop more than 2 spots what you get back should be a ridiculous haul?

It comes back to not understanding the draft.

A lot of people don't understand value of picks.

A lot of people don't understand positional value.

People play too much Madden.

People just aren't knowledgeable about it, but want to fit in and act like they are. Instead of reading and learning, they can't resist jumping into the fray.

It would be like me going to a math forum and trying to act like I know the first goddamn thing about sine, cosine and tangent.

After 5 minutes of that act, some math geek would probably tell me to walk into an AIDS tree...

Mecca · 02-13-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It comes back to not understanding the draft.

A lot of people don't understand value of picks.

A lot of people don't understand positional value.

People play too much Madden.

People just aren't knowledgeable about it, but want to fit in and act like they are. Instead of reading and learning, they can't resist jumping into the fray.

It would be like me going to a math forum and trying to act like I know the first goddamn thing about sine, cosine and tangent.

After 5 minutes of that act, some math geek would probably tell me to walk into an AIDS tree...

You'd then tell them that their math chart is dumb.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-13-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'd then tell them that their math chart is dumb.

Pythagoras is an idiot. Let ME tell you how you should do this.

MIAdragon · 02-13-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If it's not a QB Jenkins is really the only other player you can justify based on team and positional value.

Is he that much better than Vonte Davis?

blaise · 02-13-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It comes back to not understanding the draft.

A lot of people don't understand value of picks.

A lot of people don't understand positional value.

People play too much Madden.

People just aren't knowledgeable about it, but want to fit in and act like they are. Instead of reading and learning, they can't resist jumping into the fray.

It would be like me going to a math forum and trying to act like I know the first goddamn thing about sine, cosine and tangent.

After 5 minutes of that act, some math geek would probably tell me to walk into an AIDS tree...

The difference is - math is useful.

Saccopoo · 02-14-2009, 01:33 AM

Again, I will ask why it's okay to consider a cornerback a legitimate "value" in the Top 5 in a draft, and a linebacker is not?

Cornerbacks, even the best, are only successful approximately 30% of the time, are usually not asked to support in run coverage and have shit for hands (it why they are playing defense instead of being a wide receiver). As well, because of the rules favoring the offense, a good quarterback is going to beat a great cornerback every time if given enough time. A linebacker, and more importantly a strong side linebacker, is responsible for pass coverage, run support, rushing the quarterback, etc. At least to me, it seems that the linebacker would have a higher priority than a cornerback for a defense and when selecting one in the draft.

Why is it okay for the Chiefs to select Jenkins at #3 (especially if the two quarterbacks are off the board) instead of someone like Curry, who our resident draft experts think would be a complete waste at #3 because of his position.

The "experts" here say that unless he's DT or LT, you don't pick a LB at that spot, but it seems to me that the best cornerback of the last ten years, Champ Bailey, hasn't done shit in terms winning playoff games or getting his team to the Super Bowl. I mean, if you are Mike Shanahan, then perhaps cornerbacks mean something because his ego was so incredibly enormous that he thought that if he got two Pro Bowl corners, that would let him beat Indy or New England and win the Super Bowl, but he didn't seem to realize that a cornerback doesn't win you jack squat.

Mecca · 02-14-2009, 01:44 AM

Physically no Jenkins isn't that much better if at all...but Davis has character concerns and he's Vernon Davis brother...Jenkins is off the charts with intangibles and leadership and knowing how to play his position.

A CB is much more valuable than a LB is...who gets bigger contracts CB's or LB's...there ya go. A top notch CB is very valuable because he opens the rest of your defense even the very best LB is playing a role.

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jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9817493	Why does everyone keep saying we don't need a Tackle at #3? We only have 1 sure-fire long-term answer at tackle on our roster. Ultimately we absolutely need 2 of them. If we don't think that the QB that falls to us at #3 is worth the #3 pick and the tackle is there... why would anyone suggest that we pass him over? If he's also not worth the #3, that's one thing, but I see people saying we should pass on a tackle because we already have one. Umm... I want to all-world tackles, please.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	If it's not a QB Jenkins is really the only other player you can justify based on team and positional value.
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02-13-2009, 08:43 PM	#65
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	Maybe not a tackle at #3 due to what you'll have to pay him at that spot, but if you can take that pick and trade down to the 10-15 range and pick up an extra 1st or 2nd rounder there's no reason you wouldn't look at a tackle with one of those picks. Hell, Carolina spent 2 first rounders last year on Otah and they already had a franchise left tackle. I would have no problem at all with this ball club trading down into the teens and picking up someone like a Michael Oher to play right tackle, providing they get at least another 2nd rounder out of the deal. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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02-13-2009, 08:46 PM	#66
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Ah yes because trading out of the top 5 is easy...uh huh. And if you'd drop 10 spots for just a 2nd rounder...I don't have words for the tardedness of that.
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02-14-2009, 01:33 AM	#74
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Again, I will ask why it's okay to consider a cornerback a legitimate "value" in the Top 5 in a draft, and a linebacker is not? Cornerbacks, even the best, are only successful approximately 30% of the time, are usually not asked to support in run coverage and have shit for hands (it why they are playing defense instead of being a wide receiver). As well, because of the rules favoring the offense, a good quarterback is going to beat a great cornerback every time if given enough time. A linebacker, and more importantly a strong side linebacker, is responsible for pass coverage, run support, rushing the quarterback, etc. At least to me, it seems that the linebacker would have a higher priority than a cornerback for a defense and when selecting one in the draft. Why is it okay for the Chiefs to select Jenkins at #3 (especially if the two quarterbacks are off the board) instead of someone like Curry, who our resident draft experts think would be a complete waste at #3 because of his position. The "experts" here say that unless he's DT or LT, you don't pick a LB at that spot, but it seems to me that the best cornerback of the last ten years, Champ Bailey, hasn't done shit in terms winning playoff games or getting his team to the Super Bowl. I mean, if you are Mike Shanahan, then perhaps cornerbacks mean something because his ego was so incredibly enormous that he thought that if he got two Pro Bowl corners, that would let him beat Indy or New England and win the Super Bowl, but he didn't seem to realize that a cornerback doesn't win you jack squat.
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02-14-2009, 01:44 AM	#75
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Physically no Jenkins isn't that much better if at all...but Davis has character concerns and he's Vernon Davis brother...Jenkins is off the charts with intangibles and leadership and knowing how to play his position. A CB is much more valuable than a LB is...who gets bigger contracts CB's or LB's...there ya go. A top notch CB is very valuable because he opens the rest of your defense even the very best LB is playing a role.
Posts: 115,387