NFL Draft Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? - Page 9

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career...

Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position.

Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.

keg in kc · 02-18-2009, 10:36 PM

You only get so many chances at this. Atlanta pulled Matt Ryan out from underneath us last year, but we got lucky and Dorsey dropped. If either Sanchez or Stafford is on the board, the scouting department says 'this guy's a franchise quarterback', and we don't draft him, much less for a coverage linebacker, then we deserve however many more years of failure we get.

Top 5 picks don't grow on trees, especially not if the guys we hired to turn this franchise around do their jobs. We may not have this chance again.

milkman · 02-18-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree and I want a QB though IMVHO I think Stafford is the only franchise type QB in this draft. I know people will disagree with that but that is cool.

It is just this either or shit that is bothersome.

My trust is in Pioli.

I have a hard time with this.

When everyone thought that Stafford might have a chance to be the QB the Chiefs would be drafting, we heard nothing but arguments that he wasn't a franchise QB.

Bradford was the franchise QB.

Now it's Sanchez, and suddenly everyone says that Stafford is the only franchise QB in this draft.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Not how who drafts? You? Draft Potential over productivity because of position? Hello Gholston! Thats worked out well!

Who cares when they were drafted?! A great player is a great player. Scouts missed them. You think teams wouldnt love to pick them higher if they coulod go back? Ray was a late first rounder. Merriman went top ten. Again just because Brady was a 6th rounder you dont wait late and pass up a guy if he's the best guy available.

God this argument blows, you don't overrdraft players either, I always despised when people say things like "oh we'd have taken him earlier if we knew he was this good"

No you wouldn't have dolt, now instead of just getting him you got another player too, that is why you know what draft value is.

**dirk digler** · 02-18-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If Aaron Curry was a game changing defensive end this would be a great argument but...he's not.

The most important things on the field are QB DE and LT the Chiefs have a LT there's no DE that should make the pick a no brainer right?

Only if you believe Sanchez is a franchise type QB. Alot of people don't.

melbar · 02-18-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Actually I've yet to see anyone make a well reasoned logical argument for Curry, other than "our LB's suck" really well our team sucks so how's that fly?

I've made the arguments over and over and you've yet to address anything except to go back to LB isnt an important position. How bout what team has won the SB without great LB play?

lazepoo · 02-18-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why is it so hard to understand that you get better value if you take a QB first then sign or draft a LB later on?

The odds of finding a productive LB in rounds 2-UDFA pretty good the odds of finding a QB there pretty bad.

See is that hard to grasp?

I'm not arguing that at all. The OP was about how could Curry be worth the 3rd pick, and I'm wracking my brain trying to think of how, especially since he's showing up in some real mocks. I think that a QB is absolutely more important than an LB, and I know that obviously the players that are drafted earlier have a lot more talent than later picks and UDFAs.

The reason that this thread is being hijacked is that a lot of people are just tired of hearing that the only way we're going to be relevant again is if we draft a QB. Frankly, if Pioli isn't sold that Sanchez is a sure thing, I don't believe he will draft him with our first pick.

-King- · 02-18-2009, 10:37 PM

Having the 3rd pick sucks this year. If we had a later pick, I would have no problem trying out Sanchez or Curry or anyone. But no one in this draft other than Stafford stands out as a clear cut #3.

**dirk digler** · 02-18-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I have a hard time with this.

When everyone thought that Stafford might have a chance to be the QB the Chiefs would be drafting, we heard nothing but arguments that he wasn't a franchise QB.

Bradford was the franchise QB.

Now it's Sanchez, and suddenly everyone says that Stafford is the only franchise QB in this draft.

You didn't hear that from me. I have like Stafford from the beginning and I wanted Ryan last year.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I have a hard time with this.

When everyone thought that Stafford might have a chance to be the QB the Chiefs would be drafting, we heard nothing but arguments that he wasn't a franchise QB.

Bradford was the franchise QB.

Now it's Sanchez, and suddenly everyone says that Stafford is the only franchise QB in this draft.

They take whichever QB they think will be there for us and rail him....

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-18-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Not how who drafts? You? Draft Potential over productivity because of position? Hello Gholston! Thats worked out well!

Who cares when they were drafted?! A great player is a great player. Scouts missed them. You think teams wouldnt love to pick them higher if they coulod go back? Ray was a late first rounder. Merriman went top ten. Again just because Brady was a 6th rounder you dont wait late and pass up a guy if he's the best guy available.

So, you failed to answer my question earlier: Are you stating that Aaron Curry is the second coming of Ray Lewis, as you suggested?

Furthermore, are you judging Gholston after one season? That's all he gets? One season?

And one more thing: Merriman wasn't top ten. He was chosen at #12.

melbar · 02-18-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

God this argument blows, you don't overrdraft players either, I always despised when people say things like "oh we'd have taken him earlier if we knew he was this good"

No you wouldn't have dolt, now instead of just getting him you got another player too, that is why you know what draft value is.

Was this an argument? Cause I missed it. Your reaching.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-18-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I've made the arguments over and over and you've yet to address anything except to go back to LB isnt an important position. How bout what team has won the SB without great LB play?

So, you want to win a Super Bowl with a linebacker?

Uh, what about QB?

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I've made the arguments over and over and you've yet to address anything except to go back to LB isnt an important position. How bout what team has won the SB without great LB play?

The Colts? Who have never drafted a LB in the first round let alone in the top 5?

Chiefnj2 · 02-18-2009, 10:39 PM

You draft the player, not the position.

Mecca, the other day you said Scott Wright has the best internet draft site and is one of the best in the business. Why does he have Curry as the #2 prospect in the entire draft and Sanchez at #8? Why does Wright say that Curry is a "marvelous all around player who is effective in every aspect of the game...as good as any linebacker prospect to come along in recent memory" ?

Today your draft guru also said:

What player in your top 25 do you think has the most "Boom or Bust" potential?
11:28 Scott Wright: There are quite a few but I'd single out Mark Sanchez just because of his lack of experience and the checkered history of underclassmen quarterbacks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-18-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Was this an argument? Cause I missed it. Your reaching.

And your avoiding answering questions.

02-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career... Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position. Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	You only get so many chances at this. Atlanta pulled Matt Ryan out from underneath us last year, but we got lucky and Dorsey dropped. If either Sanchez or Stafford is on the board, the scouting department says 'this guy's a franchise quarterback', and we don't draft him, much less for a coverage linebacker, then we deserve however many more years of failure we get. Top 5 picks don't grow on trees, especially not if the guys we hired to turn this franchise around do their jobs. We may not have this chance again.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	You draft the player, not the position. Mecca, the other day you said Scott Wright has the best internet draft site and is one of the best in the business. Why does he have Curry as the #2 prospect in the entire draft and Sanchez at #8? Why does Wright say that Curry is a "marvelous all around player who is effective in every aspect of the game...as good as any linebacker prospect to come along in recent memory" ? Today your draft guru also said: What player in your top 25 do you think has the most "Boom or Bust" potential? 11:28 Scott Wright: There are quite a few but I'd single out Mark Sanchez just because of his lack of experience and the checkered history of underclassmen quarterbacks. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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