NFL Draft Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? - Page 10

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career...

Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position.

Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Was this an argument? Cause I missed it. Your reaching.

You basically tried to argue that draft value doesn't matter, and I showed you that it does and now you're acting confused.

**DeezNutz** · 02-18-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I have a hard time with this.

When everyone thought that Stafford might have a chance to be the QB the Chiefs would be drafting, we heard nothing but arguments that he wasn't a franchise QB.

Bradford was the franchise QB.

Now it's Sanchez, and suddenly everyone says that Stafford is the only franchise QB in this draft.

What's ironic is that I bet most of the people strongly against taking Sanchez at #3 would be ok with the idea of drafting Davis or Freeman in the 2nd round. As if it's somehow better to take a player that is more of a gamble in round 2.

This franchise isn't in the position it's in now because of only missing on round 1 picks. Rounds 2-3 are just as important, yet somehow this is overlooked.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You draft the player, not the position.

Mecca, the other day you said Scott Wright has the best internet draft site and is one of the best in the business. Why does he have Curry as the #2 prospect in the entire draft and Sanchez at #8? Why does Wright say that Curry is a "marvelous all around player who is effective in every aspect of the game...as good as any linebacker prospect to come along in recent memory" ?

Yea he also says things like "hes not a reach this year" he has Curry high because he considers the top end of this draft weak and Curry is "safe"

**notorious** · 02-18-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Having the 3rd pick sucks this year. If we had a later pick, I would have no problem trying out Sanchez or Curry or anyone. But no one in this draft other than Stafford stands out as a clear cut #3.

Only the Chiefs could get a chance at the 3rd pick during a year where the draft is weak as f*&^ when it comes to the elite talent.

ChiefsCountry · 02-18-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Colts? Who have never drafted a LB in the first round let alone in the top 5?

shh Rob Morris shh but carry on the good fight.

**dirk digler** · 02-18-2009, 10:42 PM

I might have missed it but maybe someone should start a thread stating what makes Sanchez a franchise QB and worthy of the #3 pick besides being a QB.

I am not being a hater or anything I would be interested in the reasons. My concern with him is he just didn't play enough to make any kind of judgment on him.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What's ironic is that I bet most of the people strongly against taking Sanchez at #3 would be ok with the idea of drafting Davis or Freeman in the 2nd round. As if it's somehow better to take a player that is more of a gamble in round 2.

This franchise isn't in the position it's in now because of only missing on round 1 picks. Rounds 2-3 are just as important, yet somehow this is overlooked.

I think all the years of shitty picks have made some people think we should just take safe players, I remember all the Tamba Hali cocksucking cause he was safe.

melbar · 02-18-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lazepoo

I'm not arguing that at all. The OP was about how could Curry be worth the 3rd pick, and I'm wracking my brain trying to think of how, especially since he's showing up in some real mocks. I think that a QB is absolutely more important than an LB, and I know that obviously the players that are drafted earlier have a lot more talent than later picks and UDFAs.

The reason that this thread is being hijacked is that a lot of people are just tired of hearing that the only way we're going to be relevant again is if we draft a QB. Frankly, if Pioli isn't sold that Sanchez is a sure thing, I don't believe he will draft him with our first pick.

Exactly.

keg in kc · 02-18-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I've made the arguments over and over and you've yet to address anything except to go back to LB isnt an important position. How bout what team has won the SB without great LB play?

Nobody said linebacker isn't an important position. What people are saying is that in a coverage linebacker is not considered a top-10 selection in terms of draft value. And that's not even an opinion; it's a fact based on who's been drafted where over the last decade. Pass rushing linebackers do get drafted that high, to either play weak-side end on a 4-3 or pass-rushing OLB in a 3-4, although if they're undersized even they fall into the second half of the round.

For Curry to go this high, as a coverage linebacker, he'd pretty much have to be a once-in-a-generation kind of player, the exception to the rule.

milkman · 02-18-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What's ironic is that I bet most of the people strongly against taking Sanchez at #3 would be ok with the idea of drafting Davis or Freeman in the 2nd round. As if it's somehow better to take a player that is more of a gamble in round 2.

This franchise isn't in the position it's in now because of only missing on round 1 picks. Rounds 2-3 are just as important, yet somehow this is overlooked.

Good point.

Deberg_1990 · 02-18-2009, 10:43 PM

We cant draft Matt Ryan this year because Carl failed with Blackledge 25 years ago....

Oh wait....

**notorious** · 02-18-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What's ironic is that I bet most of the people strongly against taking Sanchez at #3 would be ok with the idea of drafting Davis or Freeman in the 2nd round. As if it's somehow better to take a player that is more of a gamble in round 2.

This franchise isn't in the position it's in now because of only missing on round 1 picks. Rounds 2-3 are just as important, yet somehow this is overlooked.

Please do not mention drafting Freeman ever again. Seriously. Let another team jump on that hand-grenade.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I might have missed it but maybe someone should start a thread stating what makes Sanchez a franchise QB and worthy of the #3 pick besides being a QB.

I am not being a hater or anything I would be interested in the reasons. My concern with him is he just didn't play enough to make any kind of judgment on him.

I'd consider that an issue if he was a true junior or consistently did dumb shit or was very raw mechanically but he's not.

**DeezNutz** · 02-18-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think all the years of shitty picks have made some people think we should just take safe players, I remember all the Tamba Hali cocksucking cause he was safe.

Every team misses in round 1 from time to time. The problem with the Chiefs hasn't necessarily been blowing it at the very top of the draft.

One of the biggest problems is that they consistently ****ing miss in rounds 2-3.

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Nobody said linebacker isn't an important position. What people are saying is that in a coverage linebacker is not considered a top-10 selection in terms of draft value. And that's not even an opinion; it's a fact based on who's been drafted where over the last decade. Pass rushing linebackers do get drafted that high, to either play weak-side end on a 4-3 or pass-rushing OLB in a 3-4, although if they're undersized even they fall into the second half of the round.

For Curry to go this high, as a coverage linebacker, he'd pretty much have to be a once-in-a-generation kind of player, the exception to the rule.

That sums up what I said one day, to take Curry at 3 you'd have to believe he is one of the greatest prospects that ever lived.

02-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career... Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position. Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.
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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $94644	I might have missed it but maybe someone should start a thread stating what makes Sanchez a franchise QB and worthy of the #3 pick besides being a QB. I am not being a hater or anything I would be interested in the reasons. My concern with him is he just didn't play enough to make any kind of judgment on him.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $44454	We cant draft Matt Ryan this year because Carl failed with Blackledge 25 years ago.... Oh wait.... __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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