NFL Draft Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? - Page 30

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career...

Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position.

Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.

Mecca · 02-19-2009, 04:13 AM

I still don't think Crabtree has done anything to separate from the pack at his position.

keg in kc · 02-19-2009, 04:18 AM

There does seem to be 'something' about Crabtree, I think I know what you mean, but I don't know that I can put my finger on it. Players are sometimes more than the sum of their parts, more than their measurables or their combine numbers or even the fact that their stats are spread-aided say they should be. So I understand the feeling.

It could be indigestion, too. I had a sub for dinner.

Either way, I'm not even considering a receiver high, Bowe's too good for that, even with his drops. And I'd like to see what Haley and his staff can do with guys like Franklin and Bradley (especially Franklin, if they can find a way to tap his speed and make him productive, watch out...). Although I'll be sorely tempted if Nicks is there in the second.

**AustinChief** · 02-19-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still don't think Crabtree has done anything to separate from the pack at his position.

I just have a feeling he will do well on the pro level, top 10 worthy at the least if not top 5. BUT as I said, nothing to back that up with. If neither QB is there and Crabtree is left and we haven't traded LJ (fat chance) I really have no clue what to do. OT is the big "value" but damn that would be a hard pill to swallow... I would guess you have to go with Jenkins unless Raji(sp) somehow is WAY better than I imagine he is and we reach there. I seriously doubt that Raji is that good, I think he is just the ONLY NT that looks decent enough and that is why he is rated as high as he is now.

...but thankfully, I don't do this for a living....

Frosty · 02-19-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I seriously doubt that Raji is that good, I think he is just the ONLY NT that looks decent enough and that is why he is rated as high as he is now.

In that vein, here is an interesting blurb I found on draftdaddy.com:

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Here's a small scouting report we recently received from someone very close to Boston College star Ron Brace: "Maybe the only true nose-tackle in this draft, Ron Brace is the prototypical run-stuffer (i.e. Shaun Rogers) in a 3-4 defensive scheme. Brace was named second-team all-A.C.C. last season, playing alongside all-american teammate, BJ Raji. Had 11 tackles-for-loss and 3 sacks as a senior".

While most project Brace as a 2nd-3rd rounder, the same source also told us: "Several scouts have said Ron is curently a late 1st on some team's draft boards". Teams that we (DD.com) believe could be looking at Brace in round one include: San Diego (Jamal Williams will be 33 soon), Miami (They have a huge void at the spot), New England (Vince Wilfork's contract is up in '10) and Pittsburgh (Casey Hampton is good, but getting older).

Frosty · 02-19-2009, 10:19 AM

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He has played in what 15-16 games total? That bothers me.

Since this wasn't answered - he played in 22 games, with 16 starts. The three games his RS freshman year looked to be mainly kneel down types (total of 7 passes thrown), so, in reality, it is more like 19 GP with 16 GS.

Saccopoo · 02-19-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by arc

In that vein, here is an interesting blurb I found on draftdaddy.com:

The problem with Brace is you run into the "two guys on the same defensive line can't both be studs but everybody thinks that they are" problem. And Chiefs fans ought to know this better than anyone.

Igor Olshansky/Junior Siavii anyone?

How about Julius Peppers/Ryan Sims?

Mario Williams/the rest of a North Carolina State line?

It's hard for me to believe that both Brace and Raji are NFL caliber studs. Maybe it is Brace, and not Raji. Who knows? But I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that one of them is a tomato can while the other ends up being a player.

melbar · 02-19-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Lets put it this way, why when your team sucks would anyone think it's a good idea to build your team around a strong side LB, does that make any sense?

He's not half the college player AJ Hawk was and Hawk has been disappointing so far.

I dont think anyone has said you "build your team around him". We have 4-5 good players on Defense who have suffered under bad coaching and scheme. We're just talking about adding a very good player/playmaker to the TEAM. Raise the talent level and use them correctly and you start to improve. There are no overnight fixes out there.

Frosty · 02-19-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

The problem with Brace is you run into the "two guys on the same defensive line can't both be studs but everybody thinks that they are" problem. And Chiefs fans ought to know this better than anyone.

Probably, though I was referring to the "only true nose-tackle in this draft" part.

melbar · 02-19-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Coming from me a guy who's seen Curry quite a bit I was never THAT impressed. I always looked at him as a fringe to middle of the first guy.

Ironically where Sanchez was graded before Bradford stayed in...

melbar · 02-19-2009, 10:45 AM

Jason Wilde doing a report on Combine prospects on ESPN now. Both Sanchez and Curry being evaluated...

philfree · 02-19-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I dont think anyone has said you "build your team around him". We have 4-5 good players on Defense who have suffered under bad coaching and scheme. We're just talking about adding a very good player/playmaker to the TEAM. Raise the talent level and use them correctly and you start to improve. There are no overnight fixes out there.

That's it right there. There may not be a "build a team around him" type player in this draft besides a QB. And then there still may not be one or there may only be one. So if the Chiefs don't get a QB then what player is the type of player you build a team around. Malcom Jenkins because he has positional value? Even though there are better players on the board? At a position of need? It's almost like reaching for a player because of his positional value.

PhilFree

soundmind · 02-19-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Jason Wilde doing a report on Combine prospects on ESPN now. Both Sanchez and Curry being evaluated...

Is this on sportscenter or something? I must have missed the report...

melbar · 02-19-2009, 10:59 AM

Saying that with Stafford not throwing till pro-day, Sanchez could help himself since NFL scouts still have Questions about him. Could help himself the same way Flacco did last year with Ryan not throwing. Says Sanchez is still undecided as to whether he will throw at combine.

Curry the best of a strong class. Shown he can cover and attack LOS ...Most NFL ready could go top 3.

melbar · 02-19-2009, 11:02 AM

ESPN2 ...

They also talked about Oher overcoming so much...will be asked many questions...but solid

They useually play these little reports on all their channels throughout the day. Should come up again.

soundmind · 02-19-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Saying that with Stafford not throwing till pro-day, Sanchez could help himself since NFL scouts still have Questions about him. Could help himself the same way Flacco did last year with Ryan not throwing. Says Sanchez is still undecided as to whether he will throw at combine.

Curry the best of a strong class. Shown he can cover and attack LOS ...Most NFL ready could go top 3.

All the Draft-a-QB-or-Die crowd will disagree, but I have to say, I like the guy a lot. I just don't like the position it leaves us in at QB. I don't feel like waiting for that...I still believe they'd have to consider trading down if the offer is made. But we haven't seen anything, I'm geeking for this combine to start so we can get a decent look at some of these guys.

02-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career... Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position. Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.
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02-19-2009, 04:13 AM	#436
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I still don't think Crabtree has done anything to separate from the pack at his position.
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02-19-2009, 04:18 AM	#437
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	There does seem to be 'something' about Crabtree, I think I know what you mean, but I don't know that I can put my finger on it. Players are sometimes more than the sum of their parts, more than their measurables or their combine numbers or even the fact that their stats are spread-aided say they should be. So I understand the feeling. It could be indigestion, too. I had a sub for dinner. Either way, I'm not even considering a receiver high, Bowe's too good for that, even with his drops. And I'd like to see what Haley and his staff can do with guys like Franklin and Bradley (especially Franklin, if they can find a way to tap his speed and make him productive, watch out...). Although I'll be sorely tempted if Nicks is there in the second.
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02-19-2009, 10:45 AM	#445
melbar Hillbilly Pharoh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Branson MO. Casino cash: $10004900	Jason Wilde doing a report on Combine prospects on ESPN now. Both Sanchez and Curry being evaluated... __________________
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melbar Hillbilly Pharoh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Branson MO. Casino cash: $10004900	Saying that with Stafford not throwing till pro-day, Sanchez could help himself since NFL scouts still have Questions about him. Could help himself the same way Flacco did last year with Ryan not throwing. Says Sanchez is still undecided as to whether he will throw at combine. Curry the best of a strong class. Shown he can cover and attack LOS ...Most NFL ready could go top 3. __________________
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02-19-2009, 11:02 AM	#449
melbar Hillbilly Pharoh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Branson MO. Casino cash: $10004900	ESPN2 ... They also talked about Oher overcoming so much...will be asked many questions...but solid They useually play these little reports on all their channels throughout the day. Should come up again. __________________
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