NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 4

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

milkman · 02-21-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

Ding ding ding we have a winner folks...This is the year to address our other needs first. That being said there's no reason to think we won't draft a QB in a later round.

Next year when Bradford, TeBow and McCoy are available is the year to address the QB position, right?

Reerun_KC · 02-21-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

Ding ding ding we have a winner folks...This is the year to address our other needs first. That being said there's no reason to think we won't draft a QB in a later round.

What need is more glaring that the one that we havent addressed in over 20 years?

**dirk digler** · 02-21-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I can't recall who, but there is another person involved as his agent working with his brother who I believe has previous experience.

Thanks and I would hope so.

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Next year when Bradford, TeBow and McCoy are available is the year to address the QB position, right?

1 spread monkey, 1 TE, and 1 Brodie Croyle.

That sounds like the perfect ****ing time. What's not to like?

milkman · 02-21-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Thanks and I would hope so.

Found it.

David Dunn/Athletes First agency, who also represents Aaron Rogers, Matt Hasselbeck, Carson Palmer and Derek anderson.

**dirk digler** · 02-21-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Found it.

David Dunn/Athletes First agency, who also represents Aaron Rogers, Matt Hasselbeck, Carson Palmer and Derek anderson.

David Dunn was suspended for 2 years for stealing clients

Sounds like a good agent

**1ChiefsDan** · 02-21-2009, 11:17 AM

[quote=stevieray;5512619]

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Originally Posted by cfl

At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

LOL - sounds like a few people on this board. They know EVERYTHING but can't make a living at it in the NFL.

Coogs · 02-21-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

Ding ding ding we have a winner folks...This is the year to address our other needs first. That being said there's no reason to think we won't draft a QB in a later round.

Ummm, NO! This draft is set up exactly opposite. Get the QB in the first round, or not at all. Address other needs with the middle round picks... O-line and LB's, possibly even a WR.

Then next draft fill out the other needs.

**BigRichard** · 02-21-2009, 11:25 AM

[QUOTE=denverdanchiefsfan;5512779]

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Originally Posted by stevieray

LOL - sounds like a few people on this board. They know EVERYTHING but can't make a living at it in the NFL.

If the Chiefs don't draft a QB in the first round the majority of the talking heads around here will explode. I can't wait for draft day. It will be so interesting.

milkman · 02-21-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Ummm, NO! This draft is set up exactly opposite. Get the QB in the first round, or not at all. Address other needs with the middle round picks... O-line and LB's, possibly even a WR.

Then next draft fill out the other needs.

We can wait until the 5th round or later.

Everyone knows that the almighty Scott Pioli can pull a QB out of his ass in the later rounds.

Coogs · 02-21-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We can wait until the 5th round or later.

Everyone knows that the almighty Scott Pioli can pull a QB out of his ass in the later rounds.

Matt Stafford/Mark Sanchez or this years version of Colt Brennan.

You might be on to something here milkman.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 02-21-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Ummm, NO! This draft is set up exactly opposite. Get the QB in the first round, or not at all. Address other needs with the middle round picks... O-line and LB's, possibly even a WR.

Then next draft fill out the other needs.

This is exactly right. Next years draft looks like it will have some great defensive players.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 02-21-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Found it.

David Dunn/Athletes First agency, who also represents Aaron Rogers, Matt Hasselbeck, Carson Palmer and Derek anderson.

Yeah Dunn is there also to consult and help out. I think Brother Sanchez had a big say in throwing at the combine though...just a hunch.

ChiefRon · 02-21-2009, 11:49 AM

I think he's throwing for several reasons:

1. He's not widely considered the top QB at this time
2. He has a lot of confidence
3. He knows there are questions about his limited experience

Therefore, he's hoping to show some flashes at the combine to move into the #1 overall, or at least leapfrog Stafford for the top QB drafted...

Stafford doesn't have that motivation...he's already considered the top QB.

bdeg · 02-21-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What need would you like to address?

1. We have a LT.
2. There isn't an elite DE in the draft (that we know of).
3. There isn't an elite rush backer in the draft (that we know of).

Don't say RT.

I consider Everette Brown to be the best value barring a QB(if we go 3-4). Crabtree is out of the equation. Curry may be a better player, but he wouldn't have the same impact on a team Brown would have.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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02-21-2009, 11:49 AM	#59
ChiefRon Starter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Memphis, TN Casino cash: $10004900	I think he's throwing for several reasons: 1. He's not widely considered the top QB at this time 2. He has a lot of confidence 3. He knows there are questions about his limited experience Therefore, he's hoping to show some flashes at the combine to move into the #1 overall, or at least leapfrog Stafford for the top QB drafted... Stafford doesn't have that motivation...he's already considered the top QB.
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